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and good evening from philadelphia frank

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here with another episode of ufo news

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network sunday we're all set to go

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uh let me not waste any time uh it is

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the holiday weekend so we want to get

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this one knocked out pretty

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quick we should actually probably be

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able to keep this show

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under under two hours for sure so let me

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bring in my co-host for the evening

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as always chad hannah chant uh how's it

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going today

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it's going great frank thank you so much

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i look forward to the show tonight

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yeah i know you've got some technical

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things going on in the background i've

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got you

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a little bit distracted so it looks like

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i'm gonna have to carry the ball here a

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little bit

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oh whatever but that but that's okay

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that's it so uh yeah we

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had a really big week uh this past week

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uh some rather shocking news coming out

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of ttsa

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uh all at once uh the same time same bat

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channel same station and all that

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uh lou elizondo christopher mellon

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and the steve justice have all decided

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to up and

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leave the to the stars academy uh

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very surprising news there so let's uh

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let's get into the details

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uh basically let's say we're getting a

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little ahead of ourselves there

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and uh basically uh a week ago sunday we

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could go tonight

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uh lou elizondo was sort of hitting

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around this during an interview on

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coast to coast with george knapp uh

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and then the following day uh monday uh

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uh this was posted over on knapp's

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mystery wire a website

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uh elizondo indicated the current uap

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and justice are out at the to the stars

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a sec here let me go to this next slide

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last three years you had three videos

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there we go

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yeah let me pop this in here as well

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now go ahead uh chant if you yeah what

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do you think about all this while i

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we might find out years later something

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a while from now and indicate his

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going back to his sunday night

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interview on coast to coast with knapp

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incredible human beings

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much of what we set out to do

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project we have accomplished our mission

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a to the stars academy the transcript of

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investors meeting uh where it's brought

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all that i think it's

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been discussed here in the past and then

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he was on that he moved on but they kind

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of moved on quietly and

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they didn't do it right at the same time

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this is very loud this is going out

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other than a real kick at ttsa

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read this any other way i mean i'm

285
00:10:15,829 --> 00:10:14,880
looking at what's in front of me what's

286
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out there

287
00:10:19,910 --> 00:10:18,399
not relying on any uh sort of back

288
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channel scuttle but

289
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which there's been they're extremely

290
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unhappy with

291
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what happened uh regarding uh their

292
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continued

293
00:10:31,430 --> 00:10:29,440
uh staying on with ttsa i i don't see

294
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how you can read it any other way

295
00:10:35,750 --> 00:10:33,920
well it just sounds like the goals of

296
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ttsa

297
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and the the goals of these three folks

298
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uh former ttsa members did not align

299
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that's really all it sounds like to me

300
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and i i

301
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i think there's plenty of folks who have

302
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left companies and still remain friends

303
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with the

304
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team that they left and so yeah

305
00:11:00,630 --> 00:10:58,959
again this is uh when you're talking

306
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about individuals you move on

307
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uh people have reasons for moving on uh

308
00:11:06,790 --> 00:11:04,880
kong kelleher in the past uh

309
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left nibs that was so the the key

310
00:11:10,310 --> 00:11:09,200
catalyst for uh robert bigelow's nids

311
00:11:12,470 --> 00:11:10,320
getting shut down he

312
00:11:13,590 --> 00:11:12,480
but he had a he had a stated purpose for

313
00:11:14,949 --> 00:11:13,600
wanting to leave he was

314
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i wanted to go off and do cancer

315
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research then he hooked on with to the

316
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stars

317
00:11:22,710 --> 00:11:20,959
and really was not a high profile member

318
00:11:24,389 --> 00:11:22,720
and then he kind of moved along from to

319
00:11:27,190 --> 00:11:24,399
the stars uh but again

320
00:11:27,590 --> 00:11:27,200
uh rather quietly he didn't use george

321
00:11:30,870 --> 00:11:27,600
knapp

322
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as uh as a sort of as an exit point

323
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and uh what i'm seeing here again

324
00:11:38,550 --> 00:11:36,240
i think there was some real problems and

325
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they have been discussed and uh somehow

326
00:11:44,150 --> 00:11:39,040
it

327
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seeing is uh in terms of bringing that

328
00:11:48,550 --> 00:11:46,160
to a head is of course uh

329
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uh two weeks ago you know uh two weeks

330
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ago we had

331
00:11:53,509 --> 00:11:51,760
a little more than two weeks well two

332
00:11:56,389 --> 00:11:53,519
weeks before this happened this uh

333
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this uh mass exodus happened about a

334
00:11:59,910 --> 00:11:57,600
week ago roughly

335
00:12:02,710 --> 00:11:59,920
and uh again two and a half weeks before

336
00:12:04,710 --> 00:12:02,720
that uh you had uh tony bergalia's story

337
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over at ufo explorations

338
00:12:07,990 --> 00:12:07,600
uh going into some detail uh regarding

339
00:12:11,910 --> 00:12:08,000
the

340
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business uh

341
00:12:15,750 --> 00:12:15,040
uh director christopher miser and uh

342
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when the

343
00:12:19,269 --> 00:12:17,920
this came out uh you know uh tony was

344
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saying this is really gonna do some

345
00:12:22,870 --> 00:12:20,720
damage to these guys yeah

346
00:12:24,629 --> 00:12:22,880
yeah i really don't think so but uh yeah

347
00:12:25,829 --> 00:12:24,639
let me let me go have a look and i was

348
00:12:28,629 --> 00:12:25,839
able to turn some

349
00:12:30,310 --> 00:12:28,639
some things up regarding uh uh well

350
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here's uh here's the thumbnail

351
00:12:33,509 --> 00:12:32,160
we followed up and actually went into a

352
00:12:37,269 --> 00:12:33,519
good bit more detail

353
00:12:40,710 --> 00:12:37,279
than tony did as far as uh miser and his

354
00:12:42,069 --> 00:12:40,720
business uh you know

355
00:12:44,949 --> 00:12:42,079
there are a couple things uh there was

356
00:12:47,990 --> 00:12:44,959
one earlier company that he really got

357
00:12:49,990 --> 00:12:48,000
he's taken some heat over on the yahoo

358
00:12:51,670 --> 00:12:50,000
finance page over that it was a bit of a

359
00:12:54,550 --> 00:12:51,680
scam and

360
00:12:56,230 --> 00:12:54,560
accusing them of illegalities but then i

361
00:12:58,790 --> 00:12:56,240
was able to find the

362
00:13:01,030 --> 00:12:58,800
uh site to this uh uh this uh

363
00:13:01,990 --> 00:13:01,040
therapeutic solutions international and

364
00:13:06,550 --> 00:13:02,000
that was uh

365
00:13:08,870 --> 00:13:06,560
that was really kind of the uh really

366
00:13:10,310 --> 00:13:08,880
a lot of concern raised uh regarding

367
00:13:12,150 --> 00:13:10,320
some of the products that they sell over

368
00:13:14,710 --> 00:13:12,160
there a little bit overpriced and

369
00:13:19,990 --> 00:13:14,720
also making some rather extravagant

370
00:13:23,110 --> 00:13:20,000
claims as far as health benef

371
00:13:23,509 --> 00:13:23,120
releases at the yahoo finance site uh

372
00:13:26,150 --> 00:13:23,519
where

373
00:13:27,910 --> 00:13:26,160
you know normally uh uh credible

374
00:13:29,990 --> 00:13:27,920
companies are doing serious uh

375
00:13:31,030 --> 00:13:30,000
scientific research going through fda

376
00:13:33,269 --> 00:13:31,040
trials and

377
00:13:35,509 --> 00:13:33,279
uh and the like and getting fda approval

378
00:13:38,150 --> 00:13:35,519
or announcing that sort of thing

379
00:13:40,470 --> 00:13:38,160
through these different websites like pr

380
00:13:40,870 --> 00:13:40,480
newswire and business wire places like

381
00:13:43,030 --> 00:13:40,880
that

382
00:13:44,949 --> 00:13:43,040
and then yahoo kind of compiles them by

383
00:13:47,189 --> 00:13:44,959
company over a period of time

384
00:13:48,710 --> 00:13:47,199
and this company is making some uh

385
00:13:51,430 --> 00:13:48,720
really unusual claims

386
00:13:52,470 --> 00:13:51,440
now my uh miser is fairly new to this uh

387
00:13:55,670 --> 00:13:52,480
ts

388
00:13:57,430 --> 00:13:55,680
uh i i uh uh therapeutic solutions

389
00:14:00,310 --> 00:13:57,440
international uh inc

390
00:14:01,350 --> 00:14:00,320
just as he seems fairly new to the stars

391
00:14:03,430 --> 00:14:01,360
academy

392
00:14:05,750 --> 00:14:03,440
but uh by the same token this is uh

393
00:14:08,629 --> 00:14:05,760
awfully uh awfully troublesome

394
00:14:11,350 --> 00:14:08,639
and the only uh what seems to be his

395
00:14:14,389 --> 00:14:11,360
flagship this uh bavaris capital company

396
00:14:16,150 --> 00:14:14,399
uh you know it might be more successful

397
00:14:17,990 --> 00:14:16,160
than some of the claims but when you see

398
00:14:19,350 --> 00:14:18,000
some of the other stuff he's involved in

399
00:14:20,790 --> 00:14:19,360
and then you look at this over here

400
00:14:21,750 --> 00:14:20,800
there are some claims that look good on

401
00:14:23,750 --> 00:14:21,760
paper but

402
00:14:25,269 --> 00:14:23,760
uh the they're too vague and that you

403
00:14:26,230 --> 00:14:25,279
can't really kind of independently

404
00:14:28,870 --> 00:14:26,240
verify them

405
00:14:30,310 --> 00:14:28,880
so i see a couple of real bad things for

406
00:14:33,030 --> 00:14:30,320
miser and then

407
00:14:34,949 --> 00:14:33,040
one well just the fact that the the the

408
00:14:36,550 --> 00:14:34,959
various capital scenarios of where

409
00:14:39,430 --> 00:14:36,560
they've had tremendous success

410
00:14:40,949 --> 00:14:39,440
uh just uh not enough detail is provided

411
00:14:42,230 --> 00:14:40,959
to really uh

412
00:14:44,069 --> 00:14:42,240
to really provide any kind of

413
00:14:47,110 --> 00:14:44,079
independent verification but

414
00:14:50,389 --> 00:14:47,120
let's go back to tony's story here and

415
00:14:51,670 --> 00:14:50,399
where he kind of nails it obviously he

416
00:14:53,590 --> 00:14:51,680
contacted me and

417
00:14:55,269 --> 00:14:53,600
yeah i found the material about

418
00:14:58,629 --> 00:14:55,279
therapeutic solutions

419
00:15:00,629 --> 00:14:58,639
and his uh the nutraceutical division

420
00:15:02,870 --> 00:15:00,639
certainly straddles the line relative to

421
00:15:03,430 --> 00:15:02,880
fda regulations prohibiting making

422
00:15:05,189 --> 00:15:03,440
claims

423
00:15:07,670 --> 00:15:05,199
uh for such products being able to

424
00:15:09,910 --> 00:15:07,680
diagnose treat or cure any disease

425
00:15:11,670 --> 00:15:09,920
uh one of miser's company products hints

426
00:15:14,150 --> 00:15:11,680
at efficacy for covid

427
00:15:15,670 --> 00:15:14,160
which is a downright dangerous claim not

428
00:15:17,910 --> 00:15:15,680
only that but the supplements that they

429
00:15:19,990 --> 00:15:17,920
offered are sold for prices that are

430
00:15:22,470 --> 00:15:20,000
many many times the cost of similar

431
00:15:23,910 --> 00:15:22,480
products this is a very serious matter

432
00:15:26,389 --> 00:15:23,920
and one must wonder

433
00:15:28,150 --> 00:15:26,399
if the long knew of miser's reputation

434
00:15:29,749 --> 00:15:28,160
if he didn't he should have if he did

435
00:15:30,230 --> 00:15:29,759
miser should never have been brought on

436
00:15:32,230 --> 00:15:30,240
board

437
00:15:35,189 --> 00:15:32,240
and again uh coming two weeks before

438
00:15:37,509 --> 00:15:35,199
this mass uh mass exit is

439
00:15:38,310 --> 00:15:37,519
you know chan i've gotta i i have to

440
00:15:39,910 --> 00:15:38,320
think that uh

441
00:15:42,150 --> 00:15:39,920
you know if this wasn't the final

442
00:15:44,389 --> 00:15:42,160
tipping point to push these three guys

443
00:15:45,910 --> 00:15:44,399
you know again uh two weeks and change

444
00:15:47,829 --> 00:15:45,920
uh after all this came out

445
00:15:49,509 --> 00:15:47,839
if this wasn't the final tipping point

446
00:15:51,110 --> 00:15:49,519
in terms of pushing these guys out

447
00:15:52,949 --> 00:15:51,120
you have to wonder what they know that

448
00:15:54,470 --> 00:15:52,959
we don't that did uh

449
00:15:55,990 --> 00:15:54,480
bring them out the door well you know

450
00:15:58,069 --> 00:15:56,000
how i feel about that frank

451
00:16:00,069 --> 00:15:58,079
i don't think it had anything to do with

452
00:16:00,790 --> 00:16:00,079
it i think it had zero percent to do

453
00:16:03,829 --> 00:16:00,800
with it

454
00:16:05,110 --> 00:16:03,839
i don't think that uh that article that

455
00:16:08,230 --> 00:16:05,120
you're talking about

456
00:16:09,749 --> 00:16:08,240
made a bit of difference and you might

457
00:16:10,710 --> 00:16:09,759
be right you might be right but the

458
00:16:13,910 --> 00:16:10,720
timing of it

459
00:16:14,790 --> 00:16:13,920
uh again and the fact that all three of

460
00:16:16,389 --> 00:16:14,800
them jumped at

461
00:16:18,150 --> 00:16:16,399
roughly the same time uh very

462
00:16:18,710 --> 00:16:18,160
disconcerting now what will the future

463
00:16:21,189 --> 00:16:18,720
bring

464
00:16:21,990 --> 00:16:21,199
uh melinda leslie an old friend of yours

465
00:16:24,550 --> 00:16:22,000
chan i know

466
00:16:25,829 --> 00:16:24,560
uh was uh on a panel with grant cameron

467
00:16:27,670 --> 00:16:25,839
and a number of others and

468
00:16:29,670 --> 00:16:27,680
she said that you know her favorite

469
00:16:32,629 --> 00:16:29,680
contact jim semivan

470
00:16:34,069 --> 00:16:32,639
uh she had talked to him quite a bit

471
00:16:37,189 --> 00:16:34,079
after all this came out

472
00:16:38,870 --> 00:16:37,199
and uh per her she said that yeah he

473
00:16:39,990 --> 00:16:38,880
said that that part of the issue is over

474
00:16:41,509 --> 00:16:40,000
money which

475
00:16:43,670 --> 00:16:41,519
you know that can be pretty vague it

476
00:16:46,470 --> 00:16:43,680
could be a lot of things it could be

477
00:16:46,790 --> 00:16:46,480
related to just the business i don't

478
00:16:48,310 --> 00:16:46,800
think

479
00:16:50,389 --> 00:16:48,320
any of the three guys have walked out

480
00:16:51,269 --> 00:16:50,399
the door necessarily hurting for cash so

481
00:16:53,590 --> 00:16:51,279
i'm not sure

482
00:16:55,430 --> 00:16:53,600
as far as like them making any money

483
00:16:58,470 --> 00:16:55,440
what was actually discussed wasn't

484
00:17:00,470 --> 00:16:58,480
money like as far as this in a sense you

485
00:17:02,069 --> 00:17:00,480
may have been inferring or she may have

486
00:17:04,710 --> 00:17:02,079
been inferring or whatever

487
00:17:06,789 --> 00:17:04,720
folks may have understood it to be maybe

488
00:17:09,110 --> 00:17:06,799
it was just the budget

489
00:17:10,549 --> 00:17:09,120
you know maybe there was a personality

490
00:17:13,429 --> 00:17:10,559
clash going over

491
00:17:14,549 --> 00:17:13,439
a personality clash also with regards to

492
00:17:16,630 --> 00:17:14,559
staff members

493
00:17:17,829 --> 00:17:16,640
that can happen and if there's not a

494
00:17:21,669 --> 00:17:17,839
good mediator

495
00:17:23,270 --> 00:17:21,679
there um uh meaning with the company

496
00:17:25,029 --> 00:17:23,280
um you know i don't know that they had

497
00:17:26,470 --> 00:17:25,039
an hr uh division

498
00:17:28,470 --> 00:17:26,480
no they weren't big enough for all that

499
00:17:30,150 --> 00:17:28,480
now right yeah it's a

500
00:17:32,070 --> 00:17:30,160
it's a small operation it's a small

501
00:17:35,510 --> 00:17:32,080
operation let me finish

502
00:17:37,350 --> 00:17:35,520
i it doesn't mean that a company that

503
00:17:40,870 --> 00:17:37,360
doesn't have an hr division

504
00:17:42,549 --> 00:17:40,880
or a mediator like department

505
00:17:45,430 --> 00:17:42,559
you know dedicated to that kind of

506
00:17:45,990 --> 00:17:45,440
effort that a person cannot be hired to

507
00:17:48,789 --> 00:17:46,000
do so

508
00:17:50,150 --> 00:17:48,799
it costs like a measly you know 100

509
00:17:52,470 --> 00:17:50,160
bucks or less or

510
00:17:53,750 --> 00:17:52,480
slightly more per hour to hire somebody

511
00:17:56,630 --> 00:17:53,760
to do mediator

512
00:17:58,470 --> 00:17:56,640
like efforts even if it was a thousand

513
00:17:59,590 --> 00:17:58,480
bucks an hour it would still be worth it

514
00:18:03,590 --> 00:17:59,600
because the future of

515
00:18:06,390 --> 00:18:03,600
a company an organization a non-profit

516
00:18:07,830 --> 00:18:06,400
whatever it is for-profit or non-profit

517
00:18:09,190 --> 00:18:07,840
you would think that would be worth it

518
00:18:10,950 --> 00:18:09,200
because it would be an investment in the

519
00:18:11,750 --> 00:18:10,960
future of the company with regards to

520
00:18:13,590 --> 00:18:11,760
the staff

521
00:18:15,669 --> 00:18:13,600
now as far as money goes if there was

522
00:18:18,950 --> 00:18:15,679
some kind of

523
00:18:22,150 --> 00:18:18,960
challenge going on there to me again if

524
00:18:25,029 --> 00:18:22,160
if there could be no consensus regarding

525
00:18:25,990 --> 00:18:25,039
say money a budget we'll just we'll just

526
00:18:27,669 --> 00:18:26,000
say budget

527
00:18:29,270 --> 00:18:27,679
we'll just pretend that's what it was

528
00:18:32,870 --> 00:18:29,280
okay it just sounds like there was

529
00:18:35,430 --> 00:18:32,880
a possible personality

530
00:18:36,390 --> 00:18:35,440
clash because there's plenty of folks

531
00:18:37,669 --> 00:18:36,400
that have totally different

532
00:18:40,710 --> 00:18:37,679
personalities that are still

533
00:18:43,590 --> 00:18:40,720
able to figure out budgets so

534
00:18:46,310 --> 00:18:43,600
that's just a sense i have but you know

535
00:18:49,830 --> 00:18:46,320
this is really all such pure speculation

536
00:18:53,350 --> 00:18:49,840
as far as miser and his product um

537
00:18:56,710 --> 00:18:53,360
and the kinds of claims that uh that uh

538
00:18:57,350 --> 00:18:56,720
product is alleged to be you know worthy

539
00:18:59,270 --> 00:18:57,360
of

540
00:19:01,750 --> 00:18:59,280
you know i cannot tell you how many

541
00:19:04,390 --> 00:19:01,760
times makeup companies

542
00:19:05,270 --> 00:19:04,400
or companies that make lotion or other

543
00:19:07,190 --> 00:19:05,280
products

544
00:19:09,590 --> 00:19:07,200
that are kind of superficial not really

545
00:19:12,710 --> 00:19:09,600
necessary but you know beauty products

546
00:19:15,029 --> 00:19:12,720
they made outrageous claims all the time

547
00:19:16,390 --> 00:19:15,039
until the fda finally stepped in for

548
00:19:19,110 --> 00:19:16,400
some of these

549
00:19:21,510 --> 00:19:19,120
big huge corporations that were

550
00:19:22,230 --> 00:19:21,520
multi-million dollar corporations at

551
00:19:24,390 --> 00:19:22,240
that time

552
00:19:25,590 --> 00:19:24,400
right and had to crack down on

553
00:19:28,150 --> 00:19:25,600
themselves yeah yeah

554
00:19:28,630 --> 00:19:28,160
they get to cease and desist if he's

555
00:19:31,830 --> 00:19:28,640
really

556
00:19:32,630 --> 00:19:31,840
doing that it's just and i'm not saying

557
00:19:35,029 --> 00:19:32,640
he is

558
00:19:36,390 --> 00:19:35,039
but if he's really doing that maybe he

559
00:19:38,710 --> 00:19:36,400
really does believe

560
00:19:40,470 --> 00:19:38,720
those claims are actually true like he

561
00:19:42,070 --> 00:19:40,480
believes in his heart of hearts

562
00:19:44,150 --> 00:19:42,080
wow this thing really is effective

563
00:19:45,909 --> 00:19:44,160
against whatever fill in the blank

564
00:19:48,070 --> 00:19:45,919
or this thing really does do whatever he

565
00:19:51,430 --> 00:19:48,080
says it you know he says it does

566
00:19:51,990 --> 00:19:51,440
but the thing is is you know laboratory

567
00:19:55,190 --> 00:19:52,000
tests have

568
00:19:57,750 --> 00:19:55,200
to be uh produced uh

569
00:19:59,909 --> 00:19:57,760
you have to have some kind of scientific

570
00:20:02,630 --> 00:19:59,919
model that you're

571
00:20:04,149 --> 00:20:02,640
using in order to make those kinds of

572
00:20:06,470 --> 00:20:04,159
claims about the products that

573
00:20:07,430 --> 00:20:06,480
you have so right unless he can actually

574
00:20:09,270 --> 00:20:07,440
produce

575
00:20:10,710 --> 00:20:09,280
you know laughter well they have related

576
00:20:13,430 --> 00:20:10,720
results or scientific

577
00:20:14,310 --> 00:20:13,440
uh basis they have attempted to do these

578
00:20:16,310 --> 00:20:14,320
studies

579
00:20:19,590 --> 00:20:16,320
uh and uh but you know where i'm going

580
00:20:20,950 --> 00:20:19,600
with this you know you have to work yeah

581
00:20:22,789 --> 00:20:20,960
you've kind of already made your point

582
00:20:25,430 --> 00:20:22,799
as far as that goes and

583
00:20:26,870 --> 00:20:25,440
what they've actually done is uh this uh

584
00:20:29,029 --> 00:20:26,880
tsoi

585
00:20:30,950 --> 00:20:29,039
corporation uh their chief science

586
00:20:33,510 --> 00:20:30,960
officer who's a you know a general

587
00:20:37,190 --> 00:20:33,520
practitioner in the san diego area

588
00:20:39,350 --> 00:20:37,200
who's also been involved in politics uh

589
00:20:41,110 --> 00:20:39,360
and also made some some rather

590
00:20:41,830 --> 00:20:41,120
extravagant claims as far as his

591
00:20:43,750 --> 00:20:41,840
background

592
00:20:45,029 --> 00:20:43,760
his involvement with charity and so on

593
00:20:45,669 --> 00:20:45,039
again though those are the kind of

594
00:20:48,870 --> 00:20:45,679
details

595
00:20:49,270 --> 00:20:48,880
that we went into uh quite a bit during

596
00:20:52,549 --> 00:20:49,280
the

597
00:20:54,470 --> 00:20:52,559
did on all this so

598
00:20:56,310 --> 00:20:54,480
it does get really complicated but i

599
00:20:58,230 --> 00:20:56,320
don't see this as any other way as

600
00:20:59,590 --> 00:20:58,240
these three guys at roughly the same

601
00:21:01,669 --> 00:20:59,600
time

602
00:21:02,710 --> 00:21:01,679
really being unhappy with something if

603
00:21:05,029 --> 00:21:02,720
it's not this

604
00:21:05,909 --> 00:21:05,039
then it's uh then it's something else uh

605
00:21:07,750 --> 00:21:05,919
and uh well

606
00:21:09,190 --> 00:21:07,760
you know you know it makes you wonder

607
00:21:10,710 --> 00:21:09,200
what that something else is

608
00:21:12,230 --> 00:21:10,720
because this is a pretty bad chance this

609
00:21:14,789 --> 00:21:12,240
is pretty bad if

610
00:21:15,430 --> 00:21:14,799
if miser was one of the nails in the

611
00:21:18,549 --> 00:21:15,440
coffin

612
00:21:20,230 --> 00:21:18,559
for these former ttsa members

613
00:21:21,669 --> 00:21:20,240
there's a difference to me between the

614
00:21:25,029 --> 00:21:21,679
article

615
00:21:25,830 --> 00:21:25,039
and miser i'll explain i don't think the

616
00:21:29,430 --> 00:21:25,840
braglia

617
00:21:31,990 --> 00:21:29,440
article made a bit of difference however

618
00:21:33,990 --> 00:21:32,000
if miser did having just joined the team

619
00:21:36,630 --> 00:21:34,000
in the sense that he did

620
00:21:38,230 --> 00:21:36,640
uh that may have made a big difference

621
00:21:40,390 --> 00:21:38,240
but i don't think the article did in

622
00:21:42,870 --> 00:21:40,400
other words i don't think the exposure

623
00:21:44,950 --> 00:21:42,880
the publicity made a difference i think

624
00:21:46,470 --> 00:21:44,960
that if miser was truly an issue it

625
00:21:48,870 --> 00:21:46,480
would have been him himself

626
00:21:52,149 --> 00:21:48,880
in that regard and not an article that

627
00:21:55,830 --> 00:21:54,070
well what are you suggesting that they

628
00:21:56,789 --> 00:21:55,840
did do the due diligence and they knew

629
00:21:59,270 --> 00:21:56,799
about all this

630
00:22:00,470 --> 00:21:59,280
and no i'm not suggesting that at all

631
00:22:02,149 --> 00:22:00,480
i'm just saying

632
00:22:04,230 --> 00:22:02,159
if they didn't like miser is because

633
00:22:05,750 --> 00:22:04,240
they didn't like him and that had

634
00:22:07,270 --> 00:22:05,760
nothing to do with the article they

635
00:22:08,230 --> 00:22:07,280
could have somebody could have published

636
00:22:09,270 --> 00:22:08,240
a hundred articles

637
00:22:12,549 --> 00:22:09,280
it would have not made a bit of

638
00:22:14,630 --> 00:22:12,559
difference saying if if big if i f

639
00:22:15,590 --> 00:22:14,640
if they didn't like him it had to do

640
00:22:17,590 --> 00:22:15,600
with the guy

641
00:22:19,190 --> 00:22:17,600
miser but not an article an article

642
00:22:21,669 --> 00:22:19,200
would have not made a big difference

643
00:22:22,549 --> 00:22:21,679
yeah i i don't know about that because

644
00:22:24,470 --> 00:22:22,559
basically that

645
00:22:26,549 --> 00:22:24,480
i understand we've discussed this before

646
00:22:29,750 --> 00:22:26,559
and what we do i i will not

647
00:22:31,270 --> 00:22:29,760
change on that the article is not from

648
00:22:33,270 --> 00:22:31,280
my perspective

649
00:22:35,430 --> 00:22:33,280
going to make a dust motes worth of

650
00:22:39,350 --> 00:22:35,440
difference to these guys

651
00:22:41,669 --> 00:22:39,360
in other words all all of the uh

652
00:22:42,630 --> 00:22:41,679
issues that they may have had with this

653
00:22:45,669 --> 00:22:42,640
gentleman

654
00:22:46,070 --> 00:22:45,679
if they even did would have stemmed from

655
00:22:49,590 --> 00:22:46,080
just

656
00:22:50,789 --> 00:22:49,600
his presence having been associated with

657
00:22:53,510 --> 00:22:50,799
ttsa

658
00:22:53,990 --> 00:22:53,520
nothing else nothing more i'm not so

659
00:22:55,750 --> 00:22:54,000
sure about

660
00:22:57,110 --> 00:22:55,760
that well that's my perspective

661
00:22:59,029 --> 00:22:57,120
understood understood

662
00:23:00,789 --> 00:22:59,039
all right so uh yeah basically yeah

663
00:23:02,549 --> 00:23:00,799
that's where we're at with all that

664
00:23:03,830 --> 00:23:02,559
and uh what the so what happens now

665
00:23:06,870 --> 00:23:03,840
going forward

666
00:23:08,630 --> 00:23:06,880
uh melon is he uh going to get a job in

667
00:23:09,430 --> 00:23:08,640
the biden administration since that's

668
00:23:11,830 --> 00:23:09,440
turned around

669
00:23:13,270 --> 00:23:11,840
uh we don't know lou elizondo says he's

670
00:23:16,149 --> 00:23:13,280
going to be moving forward

671
00:23:16,549 --> 00:23:16,159
and sort of opening up and becoming more

672
00:23:19,669 --> 00:23:16,559
of an

673
00:23:21,590 --> 00:23:19,679
international man of ufos and try to

674
00:23:23,350 --> 00:23:21,600
get some more work done over in that way

675
00:23:23,990 --> 00:23:23,360
uh it is interesting how he said that

676
00:23:25,590 --> 00:23:24,000
he's

677
00:23:27,430 --> 00:23:25,600
uh not an entertainer that chris

678
00:23:29,350 --> 00:23:27,440
mellon's not an entertainer but does uh

679
00:23:32,390 --> 00:23:29,360
seem to want to get involved in uh doing

680
00:23:33,990 --> 00:23:32,400
a a documentary about ufos so

681
00:23:36,310 --> 00:23:34,000
there's that possibly coming up down

682
00:23:37,350 --> 00:23:36,320
there maybe they just have a difference

683
00:23:39,830 --> 00:23:37,360
of opinion

684
00:23:40,549 --> 00:23:39,840
regarding what entertainment really is

685
00:23:43,190 --> 00:23:40,559
you know

686
00:23:45,510 --> 00:23:43,200
um the other thing is uh i i definitely

687
00:23:48,830 --> 00:23:45,520
want to make this point and that is

688
00:23:50,149 --> 00:23:48,840
if melon was going to join the biden

689
00:23:54,070 --> 00:23:50,159
administration

690
00:23:57,909 --> 00:23:56,310
let's just be honest which is a bigger

691
00:24:01,029 --> 00:23:57,919
goal for somebody

692
00:24:04,390 --> 00:24:01,039
joining the administration uh of

693
00:24:07,269 --> 00:24:04,400
of our white house or a non-profit

694
00:24:11,430 --> 00:24:07,279
organization dedicated to a topic

695
00:24:13,269 --> 00:24:11,440
that is not necessarily something that

696
00:24:15,430 --> 00:24:13,279
is controversial that's just the best

697
00:24:18,149 --> 00:24:15,440
way i can put it i'm not putting it down

698
00:24:19,669 --> 00:24:18,159
i'm just being honest and again that's

699
00:24:22,070 --> 00:24:19,679
pure speculation but

700
00:24:23,590 --> 00:24:22,080
they're obviously going to do so mellon

701
00:24:26,789 --> 00:24:23,600
has a really

702
00:24:27,430 --> 00:24:26,799
long legacy family wise with regards to

703
00:24:29,909 --> 00:24:27,440
the government

704
00:24:31,350 --> 00:24:29,919
anybody needs to look this up i really

705
00:24:33,590 --> 00:24:31,360
recommend doing so

706
00:24:35,190 --> 00:24:33,600
and that is look up the melon family

707
00:24:38,470 --> 00:24:35,200
they go back

708
00:24:40,230 --> 00:24:38,480
so many decades it's almost unfathomable

709
00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:40,240
please look up christopher mellon look

710
00:24:42,549 --> 00:24:42,240
up his family and how far back they go

711
00:24:44,710 --> 00:24:42,559
with

712
00:24:46,470 --> 00:24:44,720
our government and how much service

713
00:24:48,149 --> 00:24:46,480
they've committed

714
00:24:50,310 --> 00:24:48,159
with regards to government service to

715
00:24:52,789 --> 00:24:50,320
our country and you will see

716
00:24:54,390 --> 00:24:52,799
it's just tradition for them to actually

717
00:24:55,830 --> 00:24:54,400
give service to our country and the

718
00:24:58,870 --> 00:24:55,840
respect that they have

719
00:25:00,149 --> 00:24:58,880
so which would be a bigger priority

720
00:25:02,710 --> 00:25:00,159
hands down it would be the

721
00:25:04,230 --> 00:25:02,720
administration if he had the opportunity

722
00:25:07,510 --> 00:25:04,240
to actually join it

723
00:25:09,750 --> 00:25:07,520
right and again okay

724
00:25:11,269 --> 00:25:09,760
so following up on that point uh you

725
00:25:11,909 --> 00:25:11,279
would think if he's going to do that

726
00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:11,919
then

727
00:25:15,590 --> 00:25:14,880
he simply waits and he gets his gig and

728
00:25:18,630 --> 00:25:15,600
he says

729
00:25:19,029 --> 00:25:18,640
hey you know i'm leaving ttsa to go do

730
00:25:20,310 --> 00:25:19,039
this

731
00:25:22,230 --> 00:25:20,320
you know what i'm saying you're leaving

732
00:25:24,870 --> 00:25:22,240
it is actually possible

733
00:25:26,870 --> 00:25:24,880
that these folks that left did have

734
00:25:28,070 --> 00:25:26,880
various reasons that were different from

735
00:25:30,549 --> 00:25:28,080
the others

736
00:25:32,070 --> 00:25:30,559
and left of their own accord in a

737
00:25:35,029 --> 00:25:32,080
simultaneous manner

738
00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:35,039
yeah but but why would they do that why

739
00:25:37,830 --> 00:25:36,480
would they do that though why would they

740
00:25:39,110 --> 00:25:37,840
do that

741
00:25:40,870 --> 00:25:39,120
and why would they why would they do

742
00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:40,880
that now i mean if the mission was

743
00:25:44,470 --> 00:25:42,000
accomplished

744
00:25:45,350 --> 00:25:44,480
uh when the tv series was uh was ended

745
00:25:48,549 --> 00:25:45,360
okay it

746
00:25:49,990 --> 00:25:48,559
uh finished up airing in august but i'm

747
00:25:50,549 --> 00:25:50,000
not sure exactly when they finished

748
00:25:52,149 --> 00:25:50,559
shooting

749
00:25:53,830 --> 00:25:52,159
i mean it was probably the better part

750
00:25:55,669 --> 00:25:53,840
of a year ago if not a year ago when

751
00:25:58,070 --> 00:25:55,679
they actually finished shooting the show

752
00:25:59,269 --> 00:25:58,080
they could have left sooner than that so

753
00:26:01,830 --> 00:25:59,279
it is possible

754
00:26:02,789 --> 00:26:01,840
that these folks that left happened to

755
00:26:04,549 --> 00:26:02,799
talk

756
00:26:06,310 --> 00:26:04,559
and one person said you know i have

757
00:26:07,909 --> 00:26:06,320
these goals on my horizon

758
00:26:10,549 --> 00:26:07,919
another person said you know what i have

759
00:26:11,430 --> 00:26:10,559
something that came up to me as an

760
00:26:12,870 --> 00:26:11,440
opportunity

761
00:26:14,549 --> 00:26:12,880
and another person may have said you

762
00:26:16,070 --> 00:26:14,559
know it's time for me to leave i really

763
00:26:19,029 --> 00:26:16,080
don't see a future with this

764
00:26:20,149 --> 00:26:19,039
situation in these specific regards and

765
00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:20,159
all three of them might have said you

766
00:26:22,789 --> 00:26:20,880
know what

767
00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:22,799
it just so happens we have these

768
00:26:27,669 --> 00:26:24,000
different things going on

769
00:26:29,669 --> 00:26:27,679
at the same time and uh you know

770
00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:29,679
let's just go ahead and leave at this a

771
00:26:33,830 --> 00:26:32,080
lot of time since we all have these

772
00:26:35,830 --> 00:26:33,840
you know these kinds of different things

773
00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:35,840
happening in our lives it is possible

774
00:26:38,950 --> 00:26:36,960
i'm not saying sure

775
00:26:39,990 --> 00:26:38,960
it is possible it is possible but at the

776
00:26:42,870 --> 00:26:40,000
same time

777
00:26:44,310 --> 00:26:42,880
if you care even a little bit about uh

778
00:26:46,470 --> 00:26:44,320
what the to the stars

779
00:26:48,390 --> 00:26:46,480
academy provided these guys as far as a

780
00:26:50,789 --> 00:26:48,400
platform to move this forward

781
00:26:51,990 --> 00:26:50,799
then you have to wonder uh why did they

782
00:26:55,269 --> 00:26:52,000
coordinate their exit

783
00:26:57,510 --> 00:26:55,279
why did they coordinate a platform

784
00:26:58,390 --> 00:26:57,520
i think it did i think absolutely to

785
00:27:01,430 --> 00:26:58,400
move forward

786
00:27:03,430 --> 00:27:01,440
with that ttsa's platform then then it

787
00:27:03,909 --> 00:27:03,440
was a combined effort and why wouldn't

788
00:27:06,549 --> 00:27:03,919
you

789
00:27:08,310 --> 00:27:06,559
uh again sort of combine efforts to

790
00:27:11,350 --> 00:27:08,320
extricate yourself rather than

791
00:27:12,950 --> 00:27:11,360
uh these three guys all uh jumping ship

792
00:27:14,070 --> 00:27:12,960
at once you know and then basically i

793
00:27:16,470 --> 00:27:14,080
see this is sort of a

794
00:27:17,510 --> 00:27:16,480
uh uh honestly i take this job and shove

795
00:27:19,269 --> 00:27:17,520
it kind of departure

796
00:27:20,950 --> 00:27:19,279
yeah and i know it sounds like the easy

797
00:27:23,029 --> 00:27:20,960
way out to say this but it is

798
00:27:24,789 --> 00:27:23,039
more realistic from my perspective for

799
00:27:27,909 --> 00:27:24,799
me to actually

800
00:27:31,269 --> 00:27:27,919
just say that i can

801
00:27:33,269 --> 00:27:31,279
i can see the possibility of some

802
00:27:34,389 --> 00:27:33,279
or all these folks giving us more

803
00:27:37,510 --> 00:27:34,399
insight

804
00:27:41,029 --> 00:27:37,520
in the weeks months years to come

805
00:27:42,789 --> 00:27:41,039
that i know what's that and

806
00:27:44,549 --> 00:27:42,799
you and you could and i actually i'm

807
00:27:45,510 --> 00:27:44,559
hoping you're right i'm hoping that that

808
00:27:47,430 --> 00:27:45,520
is what's good

809
00:27:49,269 --> 00:27:47,440
and you know what you know i say it's

810
00:27:50,310 --> 00:27:49,279
the easy way out to say that however at

811
00:27:52,149 --> 00:27:50,320
the same time

812
00:27:53,510 --> 00:27:52,159
i'm hoping people can understand that

813
00:27:58,070 --> 00:27:53,520
pure speculation is

814
00:28:01,590 --> 00:28:00,230
but i mean a lot of it is all pure

815
00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:01,600
speculation but at least

816
00:28:04,630 --> 00:28:03,600
i think we've kept our speculation based

817
00:28:06,310 --> 00:28:04,640
on fact which is

818
00:28:06,780 --> 00:28:06,320
what you really kind of want to do you

819
00:28:09,830 --> 00:28:06,790
know

820
00:28:12,870 --> 00:28:09,840
[Laughter]

821
00:28:14,870 --> 00:28:12,880
so yes oh god go ahead guys

822
00:28:16,630 --> 00:28:14,880
i was going to wrap this up then you and

823
00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:16,640
i have our own entertainment vision and

824
00:28:19,110 --> 00:28:18,480
that is arguing we're known for it so

825
00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:19,120
that's right

826
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:21,600
that is correct absolutely correct yeah

827
00:28:24,230 --> 00:28:23,760
well yeah we uh debate these things back

828
00:28:25,830 --> 00:28:24,240
and forth

829
00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:25,840
and this has come up too because you're

830
00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:28,320
seeing a lot of the haters

831
00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:30,720
okay uh they're sort of gloating about

832
00:28:33,990 --> 00:28:31,840
this and then you see

833
00:28:35,669 --> 00:28:34,000
a lot of the fanboys are trying to find

834
00:28:36,549 --> 00:28:35,679
some kind of a silver lining in this

835
00:28:38,230 --> 00:28:36,559
dark cloud

836
00:28:40,230 --> 00:28:38,240
and i think that we have been really

837
00:28:43,350 --> 00:28:40,240
consistent as far as being

838
00:28:45,510 --> 00:28:43,360
objective about it giving

839
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:45,520
giving uh uh giving credit where it's

840
00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:47,520
due and uh criticizing where it's not

841
00:28:50,070 --> 00:28:48,000
you know

842
00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:50,080
where we think that's true i i said the

843
00:28:55,350 --> 00:28:52,240
word neutral but that's actually wrong

844
00:28:57,269 --> 00:28:55,360
the best thing i can say is

845
00:28:59,269 --> 00:28:57,279
objective we've been objective to the

846
00:29:00,950 --> 00:28:59,279
best of our ability and also judicious

847
00:29:02,630 --> 00:29:00,960
we've been very balanced as far as

848
00:29:05,510 --> 00:29:02,640
reporting on ttsa

849
00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:05,520
we've tried to do it in a manner that's

850
00:29:08,950 --> 00:29:06,240
you know not

851
00:29:11,029 --> 00:29:08,960
biased and i think we've achieved it

852
00:29:13,909 --> 00:29:11,039
because i can't think of a single

853
00:29:15,830 --> 00:29:13,919
show we've done where you know we put

854
00:29:16,470 --> 00:29:15,840
down this organization i don't remember

855
00:29:18,310 --> 00:29:16,480
doing that

856
00:29:20,149 --> 00:29:18,320
and i also don't remember building them

857
00:29:22,870 --> 00:29:20,159
up either i just remember

858
00:29:24,470 --> 00:29:22,880
stating you know you know factoids about

859
00:29:26,230 --> 00:29:24,480
them here or there but i didn't really

860
00:29:27,269 --> 00:29:26,240
go at length as far as talking about

861
00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:27,279
them very much

862
00:29:31,750 --> 00:29:29,520
yeah and again you sort of judged the

863
00:29:32,230 --> 00:29:31,760
bottom line and that quote from elizondo

864
00:29:34,230 --> 00:29:32,240
where he

865
00:29:36,070 --> 00:29:34,240
ticked off his accomplishment list and

866
00:29:37,830 --> 00:29:36,080
you can't argue with any of those things

867
00:29:39,750 --> 00:29:37,840
uh the world has really changed a lot in

868
00:29:40,710 --> 00:29:39,760
the last three years as far as ufos are

869
00:29:43,269 --> 00:29:40,720
concerned he's saying

870
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:43,279
he has done the best he can and if at

871
00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:44,880
the end of the day that's what you've

872
00:29:47,190 --> 00:29:45,360
done

873
00:29:48,710 --> 00:29:47,200
then that's the best you can do and now

874
00:29:51,029 --> 00:29:48,720
he's moved on yeah

875
00:29:51,909 --> 00:29:51,039
and he is going to stay uh at least he

876
00:29:54,950 --> 00:29:51,919
says he's

877
00:29:57,430 --> 00:29:54,960
uh he is going to stay on with uh trying

878
00:29:58,630 --> 00:29:57,440
to uh get that more ufo information out

879
00:30:00,389 --> 00:29:58,640
there

880
00:30:01,990 --> 00:30:00,399
i know it sounds obvious but it sounds

881
00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:02,000
like you know

882
00:30:06,870 --> 00:30:04,799
again blazingly obvious but his agenda

883
00:30:08,149 --> 00:30:06,880
and the agenda of ttsa are two different

884
00:30:11,350 --> 00:30:08,159
things at this point

885
00:30:13,430 --> 00:30:11,360
and they they do not actually meet

886
00:30:15,669 --> 00:30:13,440
each other halfway in that respect

887
00:30:15,990 --> 00:30:15,679
understood understood and there has been

888
00:30:18,149 --> 00:30:16,000
the

889
00:30:19,909 --> 00:30:18,159
uh going back like from day one uh

890
00:30:22,149 --> 00:30:19,919
regarding the long some issues

891
00:30:23,430 --> 00:30:22,159
within that within the organization and

892
00:30:25,110 --> 00:30:23,440
so on so

893
00:30:26,310 --> 00:30:25,120
that has sort of continued and we've

894
00:30:28,070 --> 00:30:26,320
talked about those things we've talked

895
00:30:29,510 --> 00:30:28,080
about those things in detail too it

896
00:30:32,070 --> 00:30:29,520
gave us something to talk about over the

897
00:30:34,149 --> 00:30:32,080
last three years but by the same token

898
00:30:35,269 --> 00:30:34,159
you sort of judge the bottom line and

899
00:30:37,510 --> 00:30:35,279
you point out those

900
00:30:38,710 --> 00:30:37,520
uh what you feel are uh mistakes along

901
00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:38,720
the way yet

902
00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:41,440
by the same token again you judge the

903
00:30:46,230 --> 00:30:43,200
bottom line and it's been a a

904
00:30:49,669 --> 00:30:46,240
net big plus for these guys

905
00:30:50,149 --> 00:30:49,679
over the last three years say i can't

906
00:30:53,110 --> 00:30:50,159
say

907
00:30:54,789 --> 00:30:53,120
that unequivocally i have never actually

908
00:30:56,549 --> 00:30:54,799
talked about tom de long in any way

909
00:30:58,630 --> 00:30:56,559
shape or form on any of the shows

910
00:31:00,870 --> 00:30:58,640
other than the last show we did where we

911
00:31:04,310 --> 00:31:00,880
covered um that article

912
00:31:06,389 --> 00:31:04,320
uh that uh talked about uh

913
00:31:08,310 --> 00:31:06,399
tom delonge with a lot of claims that

914
00:31:10,230 --> 00:31:08,320
you and i disagreed on however

915
00:31:12,789 --> 00:31:10,240
i would like to state one thing and that

916
00:31:15,190 --> 00:31:12,799
is you know he's a rock star

917
00:31:16,389 --> 00:31:15,200
you know it's just like if people feel

918
00:31:19,029 --> 00:31:16,399
like he did some

919
00:31:20,070 --> 00:31:19,039
silly thing or whatever you know it it's

920
00:31:23,590 --> 00:31:20,080
not like he was a

921
00:31:25,750 --> 00:31:23,600
ceo of a corporation before he came in

922
00:31:26,950 --> 00:31:25,760
right this guy his lifestyle is complete

923
00:31:28,310 --> 00:31:26,960
yeah they they knew what they were

924
00:31:28,789 --> 00:31:28,320
getting into when they were dealing with

925
00:31:32,549 --> 00:31:28,799
him

926
00:31:34,149 --> 00:31:32,559
either

927
00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:34,159
and i think the reason he really hasn't

928
00:31:37,750 --> 00:31:35,760
come up that much in the last year

929
00:31:39,509 --> 00:31:37,760
is because he has gone largely

930
00:31:42,549 --> 00:31:39,519
underground he has not been

931
00:31:45,430 --> 00:31:42,559
especially uh available or

932
00:31:45,990 --> 00:31:45,440
uh involved that much he was basically

933
00:31:47,909 --> 00:31:46,000
invisible

934
00:31:49,509 --> 00:31:47,919
in the last season of tv shows and he

935
00:31:50,470 --> 00:31:49,519
just really has not gotten involved in

936
00:31:53,269 --> 00:31:50,480
that that much

937
00:31:53,830 --> 00:31:53,279
it's really been elizondo and even more

938
00:31:57,190 --> 00:31:53,840
so

939
00:31:59,509 --> 00:31:57,200
melon at least in regards to getting the

940
00:32:01,590 --> 00:31:59,519
congressional agenda moved forward that

941
00:32:03,990 --> 00:32:01,600
have been over the last uh certainly

942
00:32:05,110 --> 00:32:04,000
year plus i would say uh have been

943
00:32:08,149 --> 00:32:05,120
coming to the fore

944
00:32:11,190 --> 00:32:08,159
and losing those two guys i mean

945
00:32:14,070 --> 00:32:11,200
uh it uh we'll see i mean uh ttsa

946
00:32:15,190 --> 00:32:14,080
is uh sort of uh hanging out there right

947
00:32:16,950 --> 00:32:15,200
now it's just

948
00:32:18,870 --> 00:32:16,960
if you look at it as a team they've just

949
00:32:20,549 --> 00:32:18,880
lost their their two best players at

950
00:32:23,110 --> 00:32:20,559
least over the last year or so

951
00:32:25,029 --> 00:32:23,120
now i can other people step up well i

952
00:32:27,190 --> 00:32:25,039
heard melinda leslie suggest that jim

953
00:32:27,990 --> 00:32:27,200
semivan and chris mizer might be doing a

954
00:32:29,269 --> 00:32:28,000
podcast

955
00:32:31,190 --> 00:32:29,279
i don't know how that's necessarily

956
00:32:32,070 --> 00:32:31,200
going to help them and uh very

957
00:32:33,509 --> 00:32:32,080
interesting

958
00:32:35,830 --> 00:32:33,519
yeah would be it would be really

959
00:32:38,710 --> 00:32:35,840
interesting and uh we'll see i mean

960
00:32:39,029 --> 00:32:38,720
jim simivan is still there and he's

961
00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:39,039
still

962
00:32:43,350 --> 00:32:42,480
a top key guy on the uh on the corporate

963
00:32:45,110 --> 00:32:43,360
roster and

964
00:32:46,950 --> 00:32:45,120
we'll see what he's got i mean we'll see

965
00:32:48,389 --> 00:32:46,960
what he can do it's not unusual for some

966
00:32:51,430 --> 00:32:48,399
of these folks that are left

967
00:32:54,149 --> 00:32:51,440
over in a team that has been fragmented

968
00:32:55,909 --> 00:32:54,159
to start recruiting other people yeah

969
00:32:56,230 --> 00:32:55,919
that's always a possibility too sure

970
00:32:59,110 --> 00:32:56,240
sure

971
00:33:01,909 --> 00:32:59,120
absolutely um and then that's just par

972
00:33:04,389 --> 00:33:01,919
for the course that's just normal

973
00:33:04,950 --> 00:33:04,399
speaking so again attrition is going to

974
00:33:06,789 --> 00:33:04,960
fill in

975
00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:06,799
yeah attrition is normal there's no

976
00:33:09,750 --> 00:33:09,120
question about that that is a part of

977
00:33:12,389 --> 00:33:09,760
the game

978
00:33:13,029 --> 00:33:12,399
in any organization uh but again what's

979
00:33:15,750 --> 00:33:13,039
really key

980
00:33:17,269 --> 00:33:15,760
is making sure and i know they know this

981
00:33:19,669 --> 00:33:17,279
i'm just stating

982
00:33:22,149 --> 00:33:19,679
that uh what's key is really important

983
00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:22,159
is is that they actually find somebody

984
00:33:27,269 --> 00:33:25,120
with the right resume you know the right

985
00:33:29,029 --> 00:33:27,279
background to actually join the team

986
00:33:30,710 --> 00:33:29,039
and hopefully they will find folks that

987
00:33:33,190 --> 00:33:30,720
are not woo-woo

988
00:33:33,909 --> 00:33:33,200
but actually find folks that are really

989
00:33:37,110 --> 00:33:33,919
interested

990
00:33:38,549 --> 00:33:37,120
in finding out more about this topic in

991
00:33:40,630 --> 00:33:38,559
a science-minded way

992
00:33:41,590 --> 00:33:40,640
while keeping in mind that this

993
00:33:43,750 --> 00:33:41,600
phenomenon

994
00:33:46,149 --> 00:33:43,760
may not be explainable with the kind of

995
00:33:48,149 --> 00:33:46,159
scientific model that we use

996
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:48,159
which is a very difficult thing to do

997
00:33:52,149 --> 00:33:49,919
yeah i would also expect

998
00:33:52,950 --> 00:33:52,159
anyone looking to join this organization

999
00:33:54,789 --> 00:33:52,960
though doing

1000
00:33:56,549 --> 00:33:54,799
their due diligence in terms of joining

1001
00:33:57,110 --> 00:33:56,559
it are going to be asking the question

1002
00:33:59,190 --> 00:33:57,120
that

1003
00:34:00,149 --> 00:33:59,200
why did these three guys bolt right at

1004
00:34:01,909 --> 00:34:00,159
the same time

1005
00:34:04,389 --> 00:34:01,919
the week before christmas uh uh

1006
00:34:05,350 --> 00:34:04,399
something yeah but at the same time they

1007
00:34:07,110 --> 00:34:05,360
may not care

1008
00:34:08,710 --> 00:34:07,120
you know that person that might remind

1009
00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:08,720
you they like the offer enough they

1010
00:34:11,669 --> 00:34:09,359
might

1011
00:34:12,629 --> 00:34:11,679
yeah they they may actually just feel

1012
00:34:15,909 --> 00:34:12,639
like

1013
00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:15,919
they have a passion for whatever it is

1014
00:34:19,990 --> 00:34:17,520
and they feel like they have a lot to

1015
00:34:22,710 --> 00:34:20,000
add and another thing uh

1016
00:34:24,310 --> 00:34:22,720
that people need uh to consider is the

1017
00:34:26,710 --> 00:34:24,320
identity of ttsa

1018
00:34:28,950 --> 00:34:26,720
rests on the shoulders of whom who who

1019
00:34:32,069 --> 00:34:28,960
is there not just who's left

1020
00:34:34,550 --> 00:34:32,079
and so for example i'm just gonna give a

1021
00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:34,560
kind of a different example let's just

1022
00:34:37,270 --> 00:34:36,720
say this is a band and they lost a few

1023
00:34:39,430 --> 00:34:37,280
members

1024
00:34:41,109 --> 00:34:39,440
you gained some more and that you know

1025
00:34:42,710 --> 00:34:41,119
you can either keep the old identity of

1026
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:42,720
that band or have a new one with the new

1027
00:34:46,230 --> 00:34:44,159
members it's that simple

1028
00:34:48,629 --> 00:34:46,240
right right but they have to go out and

1029
00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:48,639
do that and i will have to see uh as

1030
00:34:51,669 --> 00:34:51,119
as lou elizondo embarks on his solo

1031
00:34:54,790 --> 00:34:51,679
career

1032
00:34:57,109 --> 00:34:54,800
to steal your metaphor chant we'll uh

1033
00:34:58,310 --> 00:34:57,119
we'll see how that works out well you

1034
00:35:00,150 --> 00:34:58,320
know i

1035
00:35:01,670 --> 00:35:00,160
i don't think anybody will disagree with

1036
00:35:05,589 --> 00:35:01,680
me that knows rock

1037
00:35:08,950 --> 00:35:05,599
and history and that is if when ac ac dc

1038
00:35:12,710 --> 00:35:08,960
when the original singer died almost

1039
00:35:15,430 --> 00:35:12,720
overnight they got a new singer and that

1040
00:35:17,430 --> 00:35:15,440
i believe added to the ability for that

1041
00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:17,440
band to continue on in a successful

1042
00:35:21,109 --> 00:35:18,000
manner

1043
00:35:21,990 --> 00:35:21,119
because they did not stop at all that

1044
00:35:24,230 --> 00:35:22,000
didn't

1045
00:35:25,349 --> 00:35:24,240
that they continued on in lock step

1046
00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:25,359
together they just

1047
00:35:30,790 --> 00:35:28,560
moved forward and and uh they're still

1048
00:35:31,589 --> 00:35:30,800
popular today and that's my point with

1049
00:35:33,670 --> 00:35:31,599
ttsa

1050
00:35:34,630 --> 00:35:33,680
if they want to keep this organization

1051
00:35:36,710 --> 00:35:34,640
around

1052
00:35:37,829 --> 00:35:36,720
the success of it really part of the

1053
00:35:41,670 --> 00:35:37,839
formula is

1054
00:35:44,550 --> 00:35:41,680
finding folks very fast that have a

1055
00:35:46,550 --> 00:35:44,560
really great backgrounds and moving

1056
00:35:48,630 --> 00:35:46,560
forward

1057
00:35:50,310 --> 00:35:48,640
and we'll see if they can get that done

1058
00:35:51,990 --> 00:35:50,320
or you know there's also the other

1059
00:35:53,670 --> 00:35:52,000
possibility of people who are still on

1060
00:35:54,790 --> 00:35:53,680
board just stepping up and doing more

1061
00:35:57,190 --> 00:35:54,800
that can happen too

1062
00:35:58,550 --> 00:35:57,200
when you've got somebody who's no longer

1063
00:36:01,109 --> 00:35:58,560
available to the lineup

1064
00:36:02,870 --> 00:36:01,119
so i think uh we've oh uh one last thing

1065
00:36:05,990 --> 00:36:02,880
uh the stockholders

1066
00:36:08,550 --> 00:36:06,000
where yeah the budget is a serious issue

1067
00:36:09,430 --> 00:36:08,560
possibly so you know that might be a

1068
00:36:12,310 --> 00:36:09,440
very serious

1069
00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:12,320
weak link in the chain so uh you know

1070
00:36:16,870 --> 00:36:14,160
three less people might actually

1071
00:36:18,950 --> 00:36:16,880
help their budget or it won't you know

1072
00:36:20,950 --> 00:36:18,960
there's that consideration also

1073
00:36:22,310 --> 00:36:20,960
yeah i don't know uh like how much uh

1074
00:36:23,109 --> 00:36:22,320
somebody is wealthy as christopher

1075
00:36:25,670 --> 00:36:23,119
miller if he

1076
00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:25,680
really cares about getting paid to be on

1077
00:36:28,790 --> 00:36:26,560
that's the thing

1078
00:36:30,790 --> 00:36:28,800
you know it's just it's important for

1079
00:36:33,990 --> 00:36:30,800
folks to understand

1080
00:36:34,630 --> 00:36:34,000
that uh they need to look at for example

1081
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:34,640
let me just

1082
00:36:41,270 --> 00:36:37,920
here

1083
00:36:42,430 --> 00:36:41,280
and that is type in ttsa and then type

1084
00:36:48,230 --> 00:36:42,440
in

1085
00:36:51,510 --> 00:36:48,240
or 18 or 2019 whatever

1086
00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:51,520
type in one or more of those years and

1087
00:36:54,710 --> 00:36:51,920
go

1088
00:36:57,109 --> 00:36:54,720
over the financial information and then

1089
00:37:01,430 --> 00:36:57,119
you decide for yourselves

1090
00:37:07,109 --> 00:37:05,430
yep but uh again the the investors

1091
00:37:08,710 --> 00:37:07,119
some of the folks who did buy stock in

1092
00:37:10,390 --> 00:37:08,720
this company i guess was roughly two

1093
00:37:12,550 --> 00:37:10,400
million dollars worth that was cl

1094
00:37:13,670 --> 00:37:12,560
what was claimed publicly uh two million

1095
00:37:15,670 --> 00:37:13,680
dollars worth of stock

1096
00:37:17,670 --> 00:37:15,680
i suppose i i think that there was a

1097
00:37:19,190 --> 00:37:17,680
minimum buy it had to be like uh two or

1098
00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:19,200
three hundred bucks somewhere

1099
00:37:24,630 --> 00:37:22,480
in in that ballpark and very much

1100
00:37:27,270 --> 00:37:24,640
no no it's not and if you had come to me

1101
00:37:29,349 --> 00:37:27,280
and said uh invest in this company

1102
00:37:30,550 --> 00:37:29,359
or you would come to me and be able and

1103
00:37:32,470 --> 00:37:30,560
say that this

1104
00:37:34,470 --> 00:37:32,480
this this this this is going to happen

1105
00:37:36,790 --> 00:37:34,480
like the louis lozando check sheet

1106
00:37:38,710 --> 00:37:36,800
and for 300 bucks i can guarantee you

1107
00:37:41,270 --> 00:37:38,720
that this this this is going to happen

1108
00:37:41,990 --> 00:37:41,280
uh i might even as cheap as i am i might

1109
00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:42,000
say that uh

1110
00:37:45,670 --> 00:37:44,480
you know uh that's what that'd be worth

1111
00:37:47,670 --> 00:37:45,680
300 bucks of course

1112
00:37:49,270 --> 00:37:47,680
as it turned out i i got that result

1113
00:37:50,710 --> 00:37:49,280
anyway and it didn't cost me a dime

1114
00:37:52,069 --> 00:37:50,720
because i didn't invest

1115
00:37:53,910 --> 00:37:52,079
but there were other people who did put

1116
00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:53,920
some money into this thing and they

1117
00:37:58,069 --> 00:37:55,680
you know i think the unfortunate thing

1118
00:37:59,910 --> 00:37:58,079
for companies that go public is

1119
00:38:01,270 --> 00:37:59,920
they may actually achieve their goal but

1120
00:38:03,910 --> 00:38:01,280
they may not make a dime

1121
00:38:05,430 --> 00:38:03,920
and this happens all the time so you

1122
00:38:06,870 --> 00:38:05,440
know they can actually end up telling

1123
00:38:08,470 --> 00:38:06,880
their stockholders you know what we

1124
00:38:11,829 --> 00:38:08,480
actually achieved our goals but

1125
00:38:14,870 --> 00:38:11,839
uh uh economically we're just

1126
00:38:16,790 --> 00:38:14,880
not doing well

1127
00:38:17,990 --> 00:38:16,800
and that's the unfortunate part i think

1128
00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:18,000
that ttsa

1129
00:38:21,510 --> 00:38:19,920
has a lot of challenges in this respect

1130
00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:21,520
with regards to their

1131
00:38:25,589 --> 00:38:23,760
budget and it should have been obvious

1132
00:38:27,589 --> 00:38:25,599
to everybody that the quick cash

1133
00:38:28,790 --> 00:38:27,599
the the cash flow and every business

1134
00:38:31,030 --> 00:38:28,800
needs their cash flow

1135
00:38:32,790 --> 00:38:31,040
i was going to come from more you know

1136
00:38:34,390 --> 00:38:32,800
intellectual property whether it's the

1137
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:34,400
history channel show i don't think

1138
00:38:38,150 --> 00:38:36,000
they obviously didn't make a fortune on

1139
00:38:39,829 --> 00:38:38,160
that but it was enough to keep the doors

1140
00:38:41,190 --> 00:38:39,839
open the two million dollars was enough

1141
00:38:43,829 --> 00:38:41,200
to get the doors open

1142
00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:43,839
and delong apparently has some some

1143
00:38:46,630 --> 00:38:45,200
other projects

1144
00:38:48,470 --> 00:38:46,640
there's no guarantee that they're going

1145
00:38:48,950 --> 00:38:48,480
to be wildly successful but it might be

1146
00:38:51,109 --> 00:38:48,960
enough

1147
00:38:52,950 --> 00:38:51,119
again like i said to keep the doors open

1148
00:38:53,349 --> 00:38:52,960
and as far as some of the early claims

1149
00:38:57,030 --> 00:38:53,359
about

1150
00:38:59,990 --> 00:38:57,040
uh you know building uh ships that were

1151
00:39:01,670 --> 00:39:00,000
going to be able to get us from new york

1152
00:39:03,190 --> 00:39:01,680
to california in the blink of an eye

1153
00:39:04,870 --> 00:39:03,200
where you could go from new york to have

1154
00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:04,880
lunch with somebody in california

1155
00:39:08,630 --> 00:39:07,200
and be back home uh within you know not

1156
00:39:11,030 --> 00:39:08,640
much more time than it took

1157
00:39:11,910 --> 00:39:11,040
uh to have the lunch in california that

1158
00:39:13,510 --> 00:39:11,920
sort of thing

1159
00:39:15,589 --> 00:39:13,520
those sort of claims were made at the

1160
00:39:17,670 --> 00:39:15,599
initial rollout uh

1161
00:39:19,430 --> 00:39:17,680
anybody who took that seriously i think

1162
00:39:22,069 --> 00:39:19,440
part of the challenge ttsa

1163
00:39:24,550 --> 00:39:22,079
is going to face right now is trying to

1164
00:39:26,069 --> 00:39:24,560
figure out who is willing to go on tv

1165
00:39:28,230 --> 00:39:26,079
you know because lou elizondo was

1166
00:39:31,270 --> 00:39:28,240
willing to do that he did that well

1167
00:39:32,790 --> 00:39:31,280
and you know who who's left that will

1168
00:39:34,150 --> 00:39:32,800
actually have the same kind of

1169
00:39:36,550 --> 00:39:34,160
wherewithal

1170
00:39:37,589 --> 00:39:36,560
and courage to do that it's a very

1171
00:39:40,630 --> 00:39:37,599
difficult thing

1172
00:39:41,510 --> 00:39:40,640
to actually agree to sign up for a tv

1173
00:39:44,790 --> 00:39:41,520
program

1174
00:39:45,990 --> 00:39:44,800
and then do a series and uh do it well

1175
00:39:47,990 --> 00:39:46,000
and have to be able to go out and

1176
00:39:49,510 --> 00:39:48,000
promote it and do those interviews to

1177
00:39:52,150 --> 00:39:49,520
get that promotion so

1178
00:39:54,069 --> 00:39:52,160
i don't know that jim cenavan or any of

1179
00:39:56,550 --> 00:39:54,079
the other folks that are left

1180
00:39:57,670 --> 00:39:56,560
have that kind of personality to do that

1181
00:39:59,430 --> 00:39:57,680
or

1182
00:40:01,030 --> 00:39:59,440
that they you know maybe they have the

1183
00:40:02,790 --> 00:40:01,040
skill sets to do it but i don't know if

1184
00:40:04,230 --> 00:40:02,800
they have the wherewithal the impetus to

1185
00:40:04,950 --> 00:40:04,240
actually want to fall through do they

1186
00:40:06,550 --> 00:40:04,960
want to do it

1187
00:40:08,550 --> 00:40:06,560
and then the other guy the other guy

1188
00:40:10,150 --> 00:40:08,560
left over is the guy who was doing it

1189
00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:10,160
before they actually rolled out the

1190
00:40:13,589 --> 00:40:11,920
carpet and then the early stages

1191
00:40:15,910 --> 00:40:13,599
and that was the log and that apparently

1192
00:40:19,270 --> 00:40:15,920
that didn't work out right now

1193
00:40:20,150 --> 00:40:19,280
the kind of combination of things that

1194
00:40:22,069 --> 00:40:20,160
they might need

1195
00:40:23,430 --> 00:40:22,079
that they might be looking for as far as

1196
00:40:25,109 --> 00:40:23,440
the next folks

1197
00:40:27,270 --> 00:40:25,119
and that would be folks who have

1198
00:40:29,349 --> 00:40:27,280
actually a strong track record

1199
00:40:31,030 --> 00:40:29,359
of having been involved in the

1200
00:40:34,309 --> 00:40:31,040
entertainment industry

1201
00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:34,319
and also have a forensic a based

1202
00:40:38,790 --> 00:40:36,960
uh background and or some kind of

1203
00:40:41,030 --> 00:40:38,800
science related background

1204
00:40:42,710 --> 00:40:41,040
or some kind of technology related

1205
00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:42,720
background that kind of thing

1206
00:40:47,430 --> 00:40:44,880
of the kinds of things that ttsa needs

1207
00:40:50,790 --> 00:40:47,440
in order to continue on with their

1208
00:40:51,030 --> 00:40:50,800
their goals so again those those kinds

1209
00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:51,040
of

1210
00:40:58,950 --> 00:40:56,400
you know i don't i don't know that it

1211
00:40:59,670 --> 00:40:58,960
would be i mean hollywood has all kinds

1212
00:41:03,510 --> 00:40:59,680
of types

1213
00:41:05,670 --> 00:41:03,520
and it i think it's totally possible for

1214
00:41:07,829 --> 00:41:05,680
you know i'm just saying that i don't

1215
00:41:09,829 --> 00:41:07,839
think it's going to be impossible

1216
00:41:11,190 --> 00:41:09,839
actually yeah what i what i was thinking

1217
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:11,200
of as you were going through that

1218
00:41:14,950 --> 00:41:12,480
checklist of abilities

1219
00:41:16,230 --> 00:41:14,960
i was thinking more somebody in the the

1220
00:41:18,870 --> 00:41:16,240
scientific realm

1221
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:18,880
who could go out there and and do that

1222
00:41:21,589 --> 00:41:19,440
but

1223
00:41:22,870 --> 00:41:21,599
uh someone who would be uh articulate

1224
00:41:24,790 --> 00:41:22,880
enough and very good

1225
00:41:26,230 --> 00:41:24,800
i mean ideally somebody like amichi

1226
00:41:28,630 --> 00:41:26,240
ukaku who wouldn't

1227
00:41:29,750 --> 00:41:28,640
do it but somebody like him the neat

1228
00:41:31,750 --> 00:41:29,760
thing about kaku

1229
00:41:33,990 --> 00:41:31,760
is he he doesn't mind being the

1230
00:41:36,309 --> 00:41:34,000
limelight he's comfortable with it

1231
00:41:37,270 --> 00:41:36,319
and he's a real natural when he's on tv

1232
00:41:39,430 --> 00:41:37,280
and all that

1233
00:41:40,870 --> 00:41:39,440
and he does interviews he has absolutely

1234
00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:40,880
no qualms about it

1235
00:41:45,670 --> 00:41:43,920
and uh you know folks folks really love

1236
00:41:47,190 --> 00:41:45,680
watching him and listening to him

1237
00:41:49,349 --> 00:41:47,200
they need to find somebody with that

1238
00:41:51,430 --> 00:41:49,359
kind that is that yeah i would say more

1239
00:41:52,470 --> 00:41:51,440
from the scientific realm but again uh

1240
00:41:54,309 --> 00:41:52,480
some scientists

1241
00:41:55,510 --> 00:41:54,319
are very good in that kind of situation

1242
00:41:57,990 --> 00:41:55,520
but not all of them are

1243
00:41:58,710 --> 00:41:58,000
so there's that so if they if they find

1244
00:42:02,150 --> 00:41:58,720
the right kind of

1245
00:42:05,349 --> 00:42:02,160
example of dr kevin knuth okay uh

1246
00:42:08,470 --> 00:42:05,359
uh he actually has given talks in

1247
00:42:11,670 --> 00:42:08,480
10 different countries

1248
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:11,680
you know that's just amazing dr kevin

1249
00:42:16,390 --> 00:42:12,480
knuth

1250
00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:16,400
has given many many lectures worldwide

1251
00:42:19,589 --> 00:42:18,880
and uh it takes someone with that kind

1252
00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:19,599
of

1253
00:42:23,829 --> 00:42:22,800
ability and you know personality and

1254
00:42:26,470 --> 00:42:23,839
skill sets

1255
00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:26,480
to be able to address a crowd that they

1256
00:42:30,069 --> 00:42:28,079
either can't see because they're being

1257
00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:30,079
filmed or they can't see and they're not

1258
00:42:34,550 --> 00:42:32,640
afraid

1259
00:42:36,309 --> 00:42:34,560
they're that confident yeah yeah he

1260
00:42:39,349 --> 00:42:36,319
would be that and actually it probably

1261
00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:39,359
wouldn't be a bad idea uh for uh ttsa to

1262
00:42:42,230 --> 00:42:41,280
maybe look at the entire roster of the

1263
00:42:45,109 --> 00:42:42,240
scu

1264
00:42:46,710 --> 00:42:45,119
and see hey maybe uh right i mean i'm

1265
00:42:49,109 --> 00:42:46,720
sure that that has

1266
00:42:52,150 --> 00:42:49,119
a consideration uh that uh that would be

1267
00:42:53,589 --> 00:42:52,160
an area to go uh uh prospecting you know

1268
00:42:55,430 --> 00:42:53,599
it seems like that maybe they have to go

1269
00:42:57,750 --> 00:42:55,440
out and do some prospecting there's also

1270
00:43:01,109 --> 00:42:57,760
a lot of young scientists out there

1271
00:43:04,550 --> 00:43:01,119
like deep prasad for example who have

1272
00:43:07,670 --> 00:43:04,560
the uh social skills

1273
00:43:09,829 --> 00:43:07,680
and the uh the ability

1274
00:43:11,750 --> 00:43:09,839
to take on challenges with a lot of

1275
00:43:13,589 --> 00:43:11,760
savvy and

1276
00:43:15,589 --> 00:43:13,599
you know they just have these great

1277
00:43:18,630 --> 00:43:15,599
personalities that the public love

1278
00:43:21,109 --> 00:43:18,640
and so someone kind of like a deep

1279
00:43:23,109 --> 00:43:21,119
prasad for example

1280
00:43:24,150 --> 00:43:23,119
who's willing to actually put themselves

1281
00:43:26,309 --> 00:43:24,160
out there

1282
00:43:27,589 --> 00:43:26,319
in what seems like a vulnerable way but

1283
00:43:30,069 --> 00:43:27,599
they actually gain a lot

1284
00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:30,079
more courage and confidence by doing it

1285
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:31,920
while being able to share

1286
00:43:37,430 --> 00:43:35,280
uh the talents uh and the talents

1287
00:43:38,630 --> 00:43:37,440
that they have you know with regards to

1288
00:43:39,750 --> 00:43:38,640
science or whatever it is they

1289
00:43:41,829 --> 00:43:39,760
specialize in

1290
00:43:44,069 --> 00:43:41,839
yeah and of course the the caveat there

1291
00:43:45,589 --> 00:43:44,079
is uh kaku's very high profile the idea

1292
00:43:48,390 --> 00:43:45,599
of getting him booked on a

1293
00:43:48,950 --> 00:43:48,400
on a tucker carlson show or on a cnn

1294
00:43:50,950 --> 00:43:48,960
show

1295
00:43:59,589 --> 00:43:50,960
uh wouldn't be that difficult as

1296
00:44:02,710 --> 00:44:02,069
a pool of younger scientists to you know

1297
00:44:05,589 --> 00:44:02,720
join them

1298
00:44:07,430 --> 00:44:05,599
and i think they might ttsa also needs

1299
00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:07,440
to be forward

1300
00:44:14,230 --> 00:44:11,200
looking like say house scu is about

1301
00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:14,240
um recruitment su is very serious about

1302
00:44:17,750 --> 00:44:15,040
who they

1303
00:44:18,870 --> 00:44:17,760
uh bring on board it's a very complex

1304
00:44:20,870 --> 00:44:18,880
process

1305
00:44:22,230 --> 00:44:20,880
there's an application that has to be

1306
00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:22,240
filled out it's a big

1307
00:44:26,230 --> 00:44:25,200
it's it there's a lot of things involved

1308
00:44:29,109 --> 00:44:26,240
many steps

1309
00:44:29,910 --> 00:44:29,119
and i'm hoping that ttsa will consider

1310
00:44:32,470 --> 00:44:29,920
um

1311
00:44:33,990 --> 00:44:32,480
maybe maybe sort of following the

1312
00:44:35,829 --> 00:44:34,000
footsteps of scu

1313
00:44:37,670 --> 00:44:35,839
yeah and that might be the way forward

1314
00:44:38,390 --> 00:44:37,680
since it's going to be very limited the

1315
00:44:41,270 --> 00:44:38,400
guys who

1316
00:44:41,750 --> 00:44:41,280
uh used to run the a-tip program and uh

1317
00:44:44,790 --> 00:44:41,760
for

1318
00:44:47,910 --> 00:44:44,800
defense

1319
00:44:48,230 --> 00:44:47,920
uh don't grow on trees uh they're uh you

1320
00:44:50,950 --> 00:44:48,240
know

1321
00:44:51,510 --> 00:44:50,960
uh so uh uh there's that issue and of

1322
00:44:52,950 --> 00:44:51,520
course uh

1323
00:44:54,950 --> 00:44:52,960
scientists willing to talk about this

1324
00:44:56,470 --> 00:44:54,960
don't go on growing trees either

1325
00:44:58,790 --> 00:44:56,480
but at least the talent pool's a little

1326
00:45:00,710 --> 00:44:58,800
bit larger right that might be the yeah

1327
00:45:03,670 --> 00:45:00,720
there is the opposite end of the age

1328
00:45:04,230 --> 00:45:03,680
spectrum and that is retired scientists

1329
00:45:06,790 --> 00:45:04,240
and

1330
00:45:07,589 --> 00:45:06,800
other retired folks from the military or

1331
00:45:10,390 --> 00:45:07,599
or a

1332
00:45:12,550 --> 00:45:10,400
military industrial complex retired uh

1333
00:45:15,430 --> 00:45:12,560
intelligence officers

1334
00:45:17,109 --> 00:45:15,440
just folks that have actually finished

1335
00:45:17,990 --> 00:45:17,119
you know multiple careers that can

1336
00:45:20,390 --> 00:45:18,000
actually um

1337
00:45:22,550 --> 00:45:20,400
only add to the the uh the

1338
00:45:25,030 --> 00:45:22,560
dimensionality of ttsa

1339
00:45:26,950 --> 00:45:25,040
so there's that possibility also but

1340
00:45:28,630 --> 00:45:26,960
that that that would be semivan he's the

1341
00:45:31,670 --> 00:45:28,640
retired cia guy but

1342
00:45:31,990 --> 00:45:31,680
there's there's 7.7 billion people if

1343
00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:32,000
not

1344
00:45:37,109 --> 00:45:35,200
know sam evan

1345
00:45:39,109 --> 00:45:37,119
i don't know that there's a lot more

1346
00:45:39,910 --> 00:45:39,119
other there's a lot of other folks to

1347
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:39,920
consider

1348
00:45:43,270 --> 00:45:42,240
and i hope they look worldwide because

1349
00:45:45,349 --> 00:45:43,280
you know

1350
00:45:46,950 --> 00:45:45,359
the per the folks they may be looking

1351
00:45:49,270 --> 00:45:46,960
for might be in their backyard or they

1352
00:45:51,510 --> 00:45:49,280
might be in another country

1353
00:45:53,430 --> 00:45:51,520
yeah but clearly after these uh

1354
00:45:56,150 --> 00:45:53,440
departures uh they need uh

1355
00:45:56,630 --> 00:45:56,160
they need at least one two would be

1356
00:45:58,710 --> 00:45:56,640
better

1357
00:46:00,550 --> 00:45:58,720
uh really good frontmen basically yeah

1358
00:46:02,230 --> 00:46:00,560
guys to go out there i think

1359
00:46:03,750 --> 00:46:02,240
you know three wouldn't be bad either i

1360
00:46:06,870 --> 00:46:03,760
think right hey the more the mayor

1361
00:46:09,030 --> 00:46:06,880
see you i i'd like to explain something

1362
00:46:09,910 --> 00:46:09,040
folks if you're wondering with the scu

1363
00:46:11,990 --> 00:46:09,920
by the way because

1364
00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:12,000
frank and i will talk acronyms for a

1365
00:46:16,150 --> 00:46:12,960
while

1366
00:46:19,270 --> 00:46:16,160
yes you if you type it in just type in

1367
00:46:21,589 --> 00:46:19,280
scientific coalition of uaps

1368
00:46:23,349 --> 00:46:21,599
that's what the scu is and they don't

1369
00:46:24,630 --> 00:46:23,359
just have one or three people look at

1370
00:46:27,990 --> 00:46:24,640
their roster

1371
00:46:30,550 --> 00:46:28,000
there's i don't know just tons of people

1372
00:46:32,550 --> 00:46:30,560
on board with them robert pal's there

1373
00:46:33,990 --> 00:46:32,560
rich hoffman's there morgan bell those

1374
00:46:36,230 --> 00:46:34,000
are the top guys

1375
00:46:39,270 --> 00:46:36,240
vetted very seriously and takes a long

1376
00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:39,280
time um but anyway the point here is

1377
00:46:45,829 --> 00:46:42,720
uh i i'm hoping that ttsa will

1378
00:46:47,910 --> 00:46:45,839
consider a lot more folks on their team

1379
00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:47,920
rather than say a baker's dozen

1380
00:46:54,950 --> 00:46:52,319
or or half of that yep and uh we wish uh

1381
00:46:56,069 --> 00:46:54,960
again uh lou elizondo and uh chris

1382
00:46:58,309 --> 00:46:56,079
mellon uh

1383
00:47:00,870 --> 00:46:58,319
and steve justice the best of luck on

1384
00:47:03,990 --> 00:47:00,880
their uh on their solo careers

1385
00:47:06,150 --> 00:47:04,000
so we'll see when we'll see when uh

1386
00:47:07,670 --> 00:47:06,160
all that comes out so uh uh certainly it

1387
00:47:08,150 --> 00:47:07,680
was an interesting week and then we'll

1388
00:47:11,349 --> 00:47:08,160
see

1389
00:47:12,950 --> 00:47:11,359
what that means for uh 2021

1390
00:47:14,870 --> 00:47:12,960
uh certainly over the last three years

1391
00:47:18,069 --> 00:47:14,880
uh we've had some real slow

1392
00:47:19,510 --> 00:47:18,079
periods and uh it's it's run hot cold

1393
00:47:20,950 --> 00:47:19,520
sometimes it runs very very hot

1394
00:47:23,349 --> 00:47:20,960
sometimes it runs cold

1395
00:47:24,549 --> 00:47:23,359
uh this past week has been kind of hot

1396
00:47:26,230 --> 00:47:24,559
but uh

1397
00:47:28,390 --> 00:47:26,240
you know what that means going forward

1398
00:47:29,430 --> 00:47:28,400
and how quick uh the new year is uh

1399
00:47:32,790 --> 00:47:29,440
going to go off

1400
00:47:35,990 --> 00:47:32,800
with some bombshells uh not seeing

1401
00:47:36,790 --> 00:47:36,000
that uh uap task force uh within the

1402
00:47:40,390 --> 00:47:36,800
pentagon

1403
00:47:43,510 --> 00:47:40,400
uh their requested public report

1404
00:47:44,309 --> 00:47:43,520
from senators rubio and warner not

1405
00:47:47,270 --> 00:47:44,319
seeing that

1406
00:47:49,430 --> 00:47:47,280
happening and that coming out until uh

1407
00:47:51,670 --> 00:47:49,440
at least the late summer now so

1408
00:47:53,349 --> 00:47:51,680
we might be looking at a real slow

1409
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:53,359
stretch during the early part of next

1410
00:47:56,790 --> 00:47:54,000
year

1411
00:47:57,829 --> 00:47:56,800
but uh be that be that as it may more

1412
00:48:00,710 --> 00:47:57,839
stuff does come out

1413
00:48:01,190 --> 00:48:00,720
and uh the ball is in play i'm pretty

1414
00:48:02,790 --> 00:48:01,200
well

1415
00:48:04,950 --> 00:48:02,800
done with this particular topic chance

1416
00:48:05,990 --> 00:48:04,960
so alyssa you've got something to add

1417
00:48:08,790 --> 00:48:06,000
we'll move on to topic

1418
00:48:10,790 --> 00:48:08,800
too well i'm not sure i'm i'm saying his

1419
00:48:11,910 --> 00:48:10,800
title correctly but the israelis former

1420
00:48:14,470 --> 00:48:11,920
space commander

1421
00:48:17,109 --> 00:48:14,480
uh in his story was kind of interesting

1422
00:48:18,710 --> 00:48:17,119
what were your thoughts on that

1423
00:48:20,710 --> 00:48:18,720
well it seems like what happened with

1424
00:48:23,270 --> 00:48:20,720
that guy is that uh

1425
00:48:25,270 --> 00:48:23,280
he has looked at a lot of the uh the

1426
00:48:26,870 --> 00:48:25,280
material that's out there in the ufo

1427
00:48:27,510 --> 00:48:26,880
field and uh even in the interview

1428
00:48:30,390 --> 00:48:27,520
itself

1429
00:48:32,069 --> 00:48:30,400
he more or less acknowledged that uh uh

1430
00:48:33,109 --> 00:48:32,079
he doesn't have firsthand experience

1431
00:48:35,270 --> 00:48:33,119
with the stuff but he's

1432
00:48:36,549 --> 00:48:35,280
basically uh believing what he's reading

1433
00:48:38,150 --> 00:48:36,559
so i think that's uh

1434
00:48:39,589 --> 00:48:38,160
that that's about where we're at with

1435
00:48:43,109 --> 00:48:39,599
that i i

1436
00:48:45,670 --> 00:48:43,119
probably will gain a few haters or maybe

1437
00:48:50,069 --> 00:48:45,680
fans by what i'm going to say but

1438
00:48:51,589 --> 00:48:50,079
um what i think my my perspective from

1439
00:48:55,990 --> 00:48:51,599
having read what i did

1440
00:49:02,549 --> 00:49:00,230
he does sound a little uh

1441
00:49:03,829 --> 00:49:02,559
different uh some people might call

1442
00:49:07,510 --> 00:49:03,839
crazy

1443
00:49:10,150 --> 00:49:07,520
however you know uh

1444
00:49:12,230 --> 00:49:10,160
let me just put it this way we're

1445
00:49:15,030 --> 00:49:12,240
involved in topic of ufology

1446
00:49:17,109 --> 00:49:15,040
which encompasses a lot of interesting

1447
00:49:18,870 --> 00:49:17,119
things and so

1448
00:49:21,270 --> 00:49:18,880
you know if people listen to me on my

1449
00:49:23,829 --> 00:49:21,280
talk shows with you

1450
00:49:24,870 --> 00:49:23,839
um i probably sound a little crazy to

1451
00:49:26,710 --> 00:49:24,880
folks

1452
00:49:29,030 --> 00:49:26,720
yeah we all we also filter a lot of

1453
00:49:30,870 --> 00:49:29,040
material out there's a lot of material i

1454
00:49:33,270 --> 00:49:30,880
also would like to point out to people

1455
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:33,280
please don't think we have not heard an

1456
00:49:36,390 --> 00:49:35,040
awful lot of stuff okay because

1457
00:49:38,790 --> 00:49:36,400
and i'm not saying we've heard it all

1458
00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:38,800
either but we've heard

1459
00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:42,240
quite a wide ranging uh grocery

1460
00:49:46,230 --> 00:49:44,400
list worth of different things with

1461
00:49:48,630 --> 00:49:46,240
regards to ufology so

1462
00:49:50,710 --> 00:49:48,640
it's not like this is our first rodeo

1463
00:49:52,230 --> 00:49:50,720
okay i pretty much heard everything he

1464
00:49:54,150 --> 00:49:52,240
ever spouted in

1465
00:49:56,710 --> 00:49:54,160
you know some of those articles written

1466
00:49:59,990 --> 00:49:56,720
about him with regards to what he said

1467
00:50:01,109 --> 00:50:00,000
many times before and just from my

1468
00:50:03,829 --> 00:50:01,119
personal opinion

1469
00:50:04,549 --> 00:50:03,839
it's not really my bag it's not my my

1470
00:50:07,750 --> 00:50:04,559
belly wick

1471
00:50:10,309 --> 00:50:07,760
with regards to what he said but i'm

1472
00:50:11,510 --> 00:50:10,319
you know i just feel like he might have

1473
00:50:13,910 --> 00:50:11,520
some dementia

1474
00:50:14,870 --> 00:50:13,920
now do i have proof of that no i don't

1475
00:50:17,510 --> 00:50:14,880
however

1476
00:50:19,030 --> 00:50:17,520
i just have this weird feeling that this

1477
00:50:23,030 --> 00:50:19,040
individual

1478
00:50:25,349 --> 00:50:23,040
um may have lost it a little bit

1479
00:50:27,190 --> 00:50:25,359
in some way or another but then again

1480
00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:27,200
there are people out there

1481
00:50:31,190 --> 00:50:29,280
that are i'm just going to go and call

1482
00:50:32,950 --> 00:50:31,200
that call it like i see it and that is

1483
00:50:35,430 --> 00:50:32,960
conspiracy theorists

1484
00:50:37,109 --> 00:50:35,440
they are folks that are very woo-woo

1485
00:50:38,309 --> 00:50:37,119
they don't have anything to back up

1486
00:50:40,309 --> 00:50:38,319
their claims

1487
00:50:42,470 --> 00:50:40,319
and they go down that rabbit hole and

1488
00:50:43,750 --> 00:50:42,480
that's exactly what he did he fell down

1489
00:50:45,670 --> 00:50:43,760
that rabbit hole

1490
00:50:47,349 --> 00:50:45,680
and i don't think he stopped either i

1491
00:50:50,470 --> 00:50:47,359
think he's still falling okay

1492
00:50:52,390 --> 00:50:50,480
that could be exactly you know

1493
00:50:54,630 --> 00:50:52,400
this might disappoint a few folks with

1494
00:50:57,270 --> 00:50:54,640
regards to what i'm saying but

1495
00:50:59,349 --> 00:50:57,280
uh you know it's hard to be sensible

1496
00:51:01,030 --> 00:50:59,359
about the topic of ufology

1497
00:51:02,790 --> 00:51:01,040
and then it's hard not to sound crazy

1498
00:51:04,790 --> 00:51:02,800
about it too you know to folks that

1499
00:51:06,790 --> 00:51:04,800
aren't used to it so

1500
00:51:07,990 --> 00:51:06,800
it's just it's just a hard topic to

1501
00:51:09,910 --> 00:51:08,000
discuss it really is

1502
00:51:12,470 --> 00:51:09,920
and some people have a lot more to say

1503
00:51:14,309 --> 00:51:12,480
that is that's not scientific based than

1504
00:51:16,150 --> 00:51:14,319
others that's the only way to say it

1505
00:51:17,829 --> 00:51:16,160
yeah we covered a lot of this when we

1506
00:51:18,630 --> 00:51:17,839
had frank milburn on a couple weeks and

1507
00:51:20,549 --> 00:51:18,640
that talked

1508
00:51:21,750 --> 00:51:20,559
in some depth about that and that was a

1509
00:51:23,510 --> 00:51:21,760
good exchange that's a

1510
00:51:25,270 --> 00:51:23,520
an interview that we did that's uh i

1511
00:51:26,150 --> 00:51:25,280
think uh well worth if you haven't uh

1512
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:26,160
checked it out it's

1513
00:51:30,790 --> 00:51:28,800
well worth going back and uh a guy like

1514
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:30,800
frank milburn a guy who comes from

1515
00:51:37,670 --> 00:51:34,559
a uh an intelligence analyst perspective

1516
00:51:38,069 --> 00:51:37,680
and the way he analyzes uh information

1517
00:51:39,910 --> 00:51:38,079
and

1518
00:51:41,270 --> 00:51:39,920
breaks it down what's the information

1519
00:51:43,349 --> 00:51:41,280
who's the source

1520
00:51:44,309 --> 00:51:43,359
and uh gives it the scores and all that

1521
00:51:46,390 --> 00:51:44,319
i thought that

1522
00:51:48,549 --> 00:51:46,400
uh we could do a lot more of that so but

1523
00:51:50,870 --> 00:51:48,559
basically as far as this go uh the

1524
00:51:52,630 --> 00:51:50,880
the score on the reality of these guys

1525
00:51:53,270 --> 00:51:52,640
leaving uh that's a five and uh the

1526
00:51:54,870 --> 00:51:53,280
source is

1527
00:51:56,549 --> 00:51:54,880
a direct source you got to give that a

1528
00:51:58,790 --> 00:51:56,559
five so uh that's uh

1529
00:52:00,390 --> 00:51:58,800
that that's the story here uh one other

1530
00:52:02,870 --> 00:52:00,400
thing i'd like that yeah i did

1531
00:52:04,870 --> 00:52:02,880
i have heard some additional scuttlebutt

1532
00:52:06,950 --> 00:52:04,880
as far as some of the reasonings

1533
00:52:08,790 --> 00:52:06,960
uh uh for their leaving also some

1534
00:52:09,349 --> 00:52:08,800
unhappiness with the way the science was

1535
00:52:11,510 --> 00:52:09,359
handled

1536
00:52:13,109 --> 00:52:11,520
i'm not so sure about that the way in

1537
00:52:15,750 --> 00:52:13,119
particular de long handled it

1538
00:52:17,510 --> 00:52:15,760
i'm not sure you know why he would even

1539
00:52:17,990 --> 00:52:17,520
uh be terribly involved you know just

1540
00:52:20,230 --> 00:52:18,000
basically

1541
00:52:21,030 --> 00:52:20,240
uh set a budget and uh go do the science

1542
00:52:22,309 --> 00:52:21,040
he's not

1543
00:52:24,390 --> 00:52:22,319
he doesn't have that kind of a

1544
00:52:26,549 --> 00:52:24,400
background or uh really shouldn't be uh

1545
00:52:28,630 --> 00:52:26,559
saying yay or nay to this or that but

1546
00:52:30,230 --> 00:52:28,640
uh so that's that i mean we've we've

1547
00:52:31,349 --> 00:52:30,240
already gotten a good 50 minutes on this

1548
00:52:34,069 --> 00:52:31,359
particular topic

1549
00:52:34,549 --> 00:52:34,079
chance so uh let's uh i move on and now

1550
00:52:37,030 --> 00:52:34,559
let's

1551
00:52:39,349 --> 00:52:37,040
talk about uh former cia director uh

1552
00:52:41,190 --> 00:52:39,359
john brennan in his uh interview

1553
00:52:43,430 --> 00:52:41,200
uh this past week where he was asked

1554
00:52:46,230 --> 00:52:43,440
about uh about ufos uh

1555
00:52:46,710 --> 00:52:46,240
uh very interesting comments that he

1556
00:52:48,630 --> 00:52:46,720
made

1557
00:52:49,750 --> 00:52:48,640
it was basically an interview with a

1558
00:52:51,670 --> 00:52:49,760
think tank that

1559
00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:51,680
is associated with george mason

1560
00:52:57,750 --> 00:52:54,720
university so again a credible source

1561
00:52:58,790 --> 00:52:57,760
asking brennan about ufos i'm going to

1562
00:53:01,589 --> 00:52:58,800
pull up that clip

1563
00:53:02,549 --> 00:53:01,599
now it's a a lengthy interview the uh uh

1564
00:53:04,630 --> 00:53:02,559
it did come up

1565
00:53:05,829 --> 00:53:04,640
so uh chant uh you're not gonna be able

1566
00:53:07,829 --> 00:53:05,839
to hear this i don't know if you had a

1567
00:53:10,870 --> 00:53:07,839
chance to listen to this particular clip

1568
00:53:12,069 --> 00:53:10,880
but i'm gonna play it now so let's uh

1569
00:53:16,950 --> 00:53:12,079
let's go to that

1570
00:53:21,589 --> 00:53:19,190
so the navy has reported that a lot of

1571
00:53:22,390 --> 00:53:21,599
its pilots have seen unidentified flying

1572
00:53:24,309 --> 00:53:22,400
objects

1573
00:53:26,390 --> 00:53:24,319
and if you're tackling that as a cia

1574
00:53:27,670 --> 00:53:26,400
director or someone who works there

1575
00:53:30,069 --> 00:53:27,680
what is it you would sift through and

1576
00:53:31,750 --> 00:53:30,079
interpret how would that go

1577
00:53:33,430 --> 00:53:31,760
well i've seen some of those videos from

1578
00:53:34,390 --> 00:53:33,440
navy pilots and i must tell you that

1579
00:53:36,309 --> 00:53:34,400
they are quite

1580
00:53:39,030 --> 00:53:36,319
eyebrow-raising when you look at them

1581
00:53:42,069 --> 00:53:39,040
and you try to ensure that you have

1582
00:53:45,190 --> 00:53:42,079
as much data as possible in terms of

1583
00:53:46,950 --> 00:53:45,200
visuals also different types of maybe

1584
00:53:47,670 --> 00:53:46,960
technical collection of sensors that you

1585
00:53:50,390 --> 00:53:47,680
have

1586
00:53:51,990 --> 00:53:50,400
at the time but then you also i believe

1587
00:53:53,910 --> 00:53:52,000
it's important to reach out into

1588
00:53:55,030 --> 00:53:53,920
other environments and find out well

1589
00:53:57,589 --> 00:53:55,040
were there any type of

1590
00:53:59,109 --> 00:53:57,599
weather phenomena at that time that

1591
00:54:01,030 --> 00:53:59,119
might have in fact created

1592
00:54:02,309 --> 00:54:01,040
the appearance of the phenomenon that

1593
00:54:03,349 --> 00:54:02,319
you're looking at

1594
00:54:05,750 --> 00:54:03,359
were there some things that were

1595
00:54:08,470 --> 00:54:05,760
happening sort of on the ground or

1596
00:54:09,589 --> 00:54:08,480
other types of phenomena that again

1597
00:54:11,349 --> 00:54:09,599
could help explain

1598
00:54:12,950 --> 00:54:11,359
what seems to be you know quite a

1599
00:54:15,589 --> 00:54:12,960
mystery as far as

1600
00:54:17,030 --> 00:54:15,599
what it is there but i i think it

1601
00:54:19,990 --> 00:54:17,040
important thing for analysts

1602
00:54:20,950 --> 00:54:20,000
to do is not to go into this type of

1603
00:54:23,510 --> 00:54:20,960
challenge

1604
00:54:24,950 --> 00:54:23,520
either discounting certain types of

1605
00:54:27,270 --> 00:54:24,960
possibilities

1606
00:54:28,230 --> 00:54:27,280
or believing in advance that it is

1607
00:54:30,309 --> 00:54:28,240
likely x

1608
00:54:31,910 --> 00:54:30,319
y or z you really have to approach it

1609
00:54:33,829 --> 00:54:31,920
with an open mind but get as much

1610
00:54:35,109 --> 00:54:33,839
data as possible and get as much

1611
00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:35,119
expertise as possible

1612
00:54:38,950 --> 00:54:37,200
brought to bear so at the end of all

1613
00:54:40,549 --> 00:54:38,960
that sifting and interpreting

1614
00:54:43,750 --> 00:54:40,559
what do you think is the most likely

1615
00:54:47,349 --> 00:54:46,069
i i i don't know you know when people

1616
00:54:49,349 --> 00:54:47,359
talk about it you know is there

1617
00:54:51,829 --> 00:54:49,359
the life of their life besides what's in

1618
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:51,839
the states uh in the in the world the

1619
00:54:55,589 --> 00:54:52,400
globe

1620
00:54:56,230 --> 00:54:55,599
um you know life is is defined in many

1621
00:54:58,230 --> 00:54:56,240
different ways

1622
00:54:59,910 --> 00:54:58,240
i think it's a bit presumptuous it's not

1623
00:55:02,710 --> 00:54:59,920
arrogant for us to believe that

1624
00:55:03,349 --> 00:55:02,720
there's no other form of life anywhere

1625
00:55:07,190 --> 00:55:03,359
in the

1626
00:55:09,510 --> 00:55:07,200
entire universe what that might

1627
00:55:10,789 --> 00:55:09,520
you know be is i think you know subject

1628
00:55:14,069 --> 00:55:10,799
to you know

1629
00:55:15,430 --> 00:55:14,079
a lot of different views but um

1630
00:55:17,430 --> 00:55:15,440
i think some of the phenomena we're

1631
00:55:21,430 --> 00:55:17,440
going to be seeing it

1632
00:55:25,109 --> 00:55:21,440
continues to be unexplained and

1633
00:55:28,630 --> 00:55:25,119
might in fact be some type of phenomenon

1634
00:55:31,750 --> 00:55:28,640
that is the result of something that

1635
00:55:35,430 --> 00:55:31,760
we don't yet understand and that

1636
00:55:39,270 --> 00:55:35,440
could involve some type of activity

1637
00:55:41,670 --> 00:55:39,280
that some might say constitutes a

1638
00:55:43,349 --> 00:55:41,680
a different form of life but being an

1639
00:55:46,150 --> 00:55:43,359
agnostic you don't think it's something

1640
00:55:51,190 --> 00:55:46,160
supernatural

1641
00:55:58,390 --> 00:55:55,910
um i i um

1642
00:55:59,910 --> 00:55:58,400
again i'm not gonna discount things um

1643
00:56:01,270 --> 00:55:59,920
that's why i'm an agnostic as opposed to

1644
00:56:04,390 --> 00:56:01,280
an atheist

1645
00:56:07,589 --> 00:56:04,400
i just want to leave my mind open as to

1646
00:56:10,950 --> 00:56:07,599
what something might might be but

1647
00:56:13,670 --> 00:56:10,960
who knows what these things might be

1648
00:56:15,270 --> 00:56:13,680
now as i understand how the cia works

1649
00:56:17,109 --> 00:56:15,280
inside the cia

1650
00:56:18,870 --> 00:56:17,119
okay now they move off to another topic

1651
00:56:19,190 --> 00:56:18,880
but uh some really interesting comments

1652
00:56:21,750 --> 00:56:19,200
there

1653
00:56:22,390 --> 00:56:21,760
he does seem to be open uh to the fact

1654
00:56:25,430 --> 00:56:22,400
that

1655
00:56:28,150 --> 00:56:25,440
some of these ufos might be some form of

1656
00:56:29,670 --> 00:56:28,160
e.t i thought that that a very uh

1657
00:56:31,349 --> 00:56:29,680
compelling admission there

1658
00:56:33,510 --> 00:56:31,359
and another comment that he made talking

1659
00:56:35,750 --> 00:56:33,520
about uh weather phenomenon that

1660
00:56:36,950 --> 00:56:35,760
uh that is something that i think uh

1661
00:56:39,670 --> 00:56:36,960
ttsa

1662
00:56:42,230 --> 00:56:39,680
or at least uh melon and elizondo have

1663
00:56:44,390 --> 00:56:42,240
done a very good job in terms of sort of

1664
00:56:46,150 --> 00:56:44,400
eliminating that from the conversation

1665
00:56:47,910 --> 00:56:46,160
that's kind of an old school well it's

1666
00:56:49,349 --> 00:56:47,920
just weather phenomenon canopy

1667
00:56:51,750 --> 00:56:49,359
reflections uh

1668
00:56:53,430 --> 00:56:51,760
sun dogs temperature inversions that

1669
00:56:54,870 --> 00:56:53,440
type of thing

1670
00:56:58,230 --> 00:56:54,880
what they're talking about what we're

1671
00:57:02,069 --> 00:56:58,240
really interested in are our

1672
00:57:03,829 --> 00:57:02,079
aircraft uh the uh uh uh solid aircraft

1673
00:57:04,789 --> 00:57:03,839
are performing these uh extraordinary

1674
00:57:07,829 --> 00:57:04,799
maneuvers

1675
00:57:09,670 --> 00:57:07,839
and uh so uh i i i think uh

1676
00:57:12,150 --> 00:57:09,680
listening to brennan there yeah uh

1677
00:57:15,510 --> 00:57:12,160
clearly comes from the old school

1678
00:57:17,030 --> 00:57:15,520
that uh well you know it's possible and

1679
00:57:18,549 --> 00:57:17,040
that he threw that in because i think

1680
00:57:22,069 --> 00:57:18,559
that uh that uh

1681
00:57:24,230 --> 00:57:22,079
debate point has largely uh fallen by

1682
00:57:26,230 --> 00:57:24,240
the wayside it's not to say that

1683
00:57:27,910 --> 00:57:26,240
some people see you or think they see

1684
00:57:31,430 --> 00:57:27,920
ufos that are in fact

1685
00:57:32,870 --> 00:57:31,440
you know canopy reflections uh sun dogs

1686
00:57:35,030 --> 00:57:32,880
uh that sort of thing temperature

1687
00:57:36,710 --> 00:57:35,040
inversions but that uh

1688
00:57:38,309 --> 00:57:36,720
uh those aren't the cases we're

1689
00:57:40,470 --> 00:57:38,319
interested in we understand that

1690
00:57:42,309 --> 00:57:40,480
that does explain some of those cases of

1691
00:57:42,710 --> 00:57:42,319
the cases that get explained that we're

1692
00:57:43,990 --> 00:57:42,720
not the

1693
00:57:45,990 --> 00:57:44,000
we're not interested in those we're

1694
00:57:47,750 --> 00:57:46,000
interested in the ones uh that can't be

1695
00:57:48,230 --> 00:57:47,760
explained and the one that had the ones

1696
00:57:50,390 --> 00:57:48,240
that have

1697
00:57:51,430 --> 00:57:50,400
uh some very good solid evidence uh good

1698
00:57:53,430 --> 00:57:51,440
well we're also

1699
00:57:54,710 --> 00:57:53,440
uh i know kind of goes without saying

1700
00:57:55,270 --> 00:57:54,720
but i'm just going to acknowledge it

1701
00:57:56,789 --> 00:57:55,280
anyway

1702
00:57:58,549 --> 00:57:56,799
interested in the cases that the

1703
00:57:59,829 --> 00:57:58,559
military cannot explain the ones where

1704
00:58:01,670 --> 00:57:59,839
they're trying to track it and they

1705
00:58:03,430 --> 00:58:01,680
cannot keep up with it

1706
00:58:04,710 --> 00:58:03,440
but they have recorded what they can of

1707
00:58:07,750 --> 00:58:04,720
it um

1708
00:58:10,470 --> 00:58:07,760
you know i personally believe

1709
00:58:11,430 --> 00:58:10,480
that this phenomenon has happened for

1710
00:58:14,710 --> 00:58:11,440
eons

1711
00:58:16,549 --> 00:58:14,720
and i also believe at the same time

1712
00:58:18,630 --> 00:58:16,559
that our government which has not been

1713
00:58:20,870 --> 00:58:18,640
around for eons has been recording it

1714
00:58:21,750 --> 00:58:20,880
as long as they have been able to record

1715
00:58:25,829 --> 00:58:21,760
anything at all

1716
00:58:28,870 --> 00:58:25,839
technology wise so uh and i also think

1717
00:58:30,789 --> 00:58:28,880
at the same time that our government and

1718
00:58:32,150 --> 00:58:30,799
other first world and possibly second or

1719
00:58:35,750 --> 00:58:32,160
third world governments

1720
00:58:39,030 --> 00:58:35,760
have uh have

1721
00:58:41,910 --> 00:58:39,040
archived collected collated uh

1722
00:58:42,950 --> 00:58:41,920
evidence so to speak possibly radar

1723
00:58:46,789 --> 00:58:42,960
proof

1724
00:58:50,230 --> 00:58:46,799
of this kind of uh subject matter

1725
00:58:53,270 --> 00:58:50,240
and they're not revealing it

1726
00:58:53,910 --> 00:58:53,280
and i think that there's just different

1727
00:58:57,349 --> 00:58:53,920
levels

1728
00:58:59,670 --> 00:58:57,359
of uh you know classic classif

1729
00:59:01,109 --> 00:58:59,680
classification regarding whether people

1730
00:59:04,549 --> 00:59:01,119
can know about it or not

1731
00:59:06,630 --> 00:59:04,559
so this this director is he privy to

1732
00:59:07,750 --> 00:59:06,640
all of the data that the us government

1733
00:59:11,270 --> 00:59:07,760
has

1734
00:59:12,710 --> 00:59:11,280
probably not but i think he's not stupid

1735
00:59:13,589 --> 00:59:12,720
and he knows that there's something out

1736
00:59:16,309 --> 00:59:13,599
there

1737
00:59:17,990 --> 00:59:16,319
okay all right so uh yeah really yeah we

1738
00:59:19,349 --> 00:59:18,000
got this one done in an hour

1739
00:59:21,190 --> 00:59:19,359
and uh do you have anything to add

1740
00:59:23,589 --> 00:59:21,200
before we wrap up uh i think

1741
00:59:25,190 --> 00:59:23,599
we did a good tight show well i just

1742
00:59:27,510 --> 00:59:25,200
wanted to tell our listeners

1743
00:59:29,430 --> 00:59:27,520
i'm really sorry if i like have hemmed

1744
00:59:30,390 --> 00:59:29,440
and hot tonight i'm actually doing this

1745
00:59:33,829 --> 00:59:30,400
show

1746
00:59:35,349 --> 00:59:33,839
by phone because i have you know been

1747
00:59:36,710 --> 00:59:35,359
working on another show

1748
00:59:39,109 --> 00:59:36,720
that i did i'm not going to give a lot

1749
00:59:42,309 --> 00:59:39,119
of information out on it but it was

1750
00:59:42,870 --> 00:59:42,319
a show that had nearly two dozen people

1751
00:59:46,470 --> 00:59:42,880
on it

1752
00:59:49,030 --> 00:59:46,480
and uh i'm actually in in the throes

1753
00:59:50,470 --> 00:59:49,040
of getting that finished and so my

1754
00:59:52,309 --> 00:59:50,480
laptop is

1755
00:59:53,750 --> 00:59:52,319
monopolized right now it's being taken

1756
00:59:55,510 --> 00:59:53,760
out your sound is good effort

1757
00:59:57,990 --> 00:59:55,520
yeah your sound is good i don't have any

1758
00:59:59,430 --> 00:59:58,000
videos yeah so i'm on my phone and i've

1759
01:00:02,390 --> 00:59:59,440
never actually done

1760
01:00:04,150 --> 01:00:02,400
a show by phone before so i'm used to

1761
01:00:06,150 --> 01:00:04,160
you know how you have a comfort level

1762
01:00:07,510 --> 01:00:06,160
and you know things seem a little bit

1763
01:00:09,109 --> 01:00:07,520
better that way i'm used to being in

1764
01:00:11,670 --> 01:00:09,119
front of my laptop and doing a show

1765
01:00:12,549 --> 01:00:11,680
and being on camera so everybody can see

1766
01:00:14,309 --> 01:00:12,559
you

1767
01:00:16,549 --> 01:00:14,319
no i don't really care about that so

1768
01:00:18,390 --> 01:00:16,559
much as just being able to

1769
01:00:19,750 --> 01:00:18,400
you know sit in my little spot with my

1770
01:00:21,990 --> 01:00:19,760
with my uh

1771
01:00:24,230 --> 01:00:22,000
microphone and my laptop but instead i'm

1772
01:00:25,430 --> 01:00:24,240
doing this all by phone so it's a little

1773
01:00:27,190 --> 01:00:25,440
different

1774
01:00:28,710 --> 01:00:27,200
kind of you know i'm out of my element

1775
01:00:31,349 --> 01:00:28,720
but anyway

1776
01:00:33,510 --> 01:00:31,359
i hope everybody has a lovely new year's

1777
01:00:35,670 --> 01:00:33,520
if we don't do another show before then

1778
01:00:36,549 --> 01:00:35,680
yeah you never know it might happen but

1779
01:00:38,470 --> 01:00:36,559
uh

1780
01:00:40,870 --> 01:00:38,480
if not you know i hope everybody had a

1781
01:00:41,510 --> 01:00:40,880
merry christmas and uh enjoy your new

1782
01:00:43,990 --> 01:00:41,520
year

1783
01:00:45,670 --> 01:00:44,000
i'm certainly enjoying my downtime from

1784
01:00:47,510 --> 01:00:45,680
work nothing wrong with that

1785
01:00:50,549 --> 01:00:47,520
time off from work is always worth

1786
01:00:53,589 --> 01:00:50,559
celebrating uh regardless of uh

1787
01:00:55,430 --> 01:00:53,599
regardless of your religious beliefs and

1788
01:00:57,190 --> 01:00:55,440
what holidays you celebrate this time of

1789
01:00:59,750 --> 01:00:57,200
year uh

1790
01:01:01,430 --> 01:00:59,760
very always happy about that so i still

1791
01:01:02,870 --> 01:01:01,440
have a little bit more than two weeks

1792
01:01:03,589 --> 01:01:02,880
before i have to go back so uh

1793
01:01:06,390 --> 01:01:03,599
definitely

1794
01:01:07,910 --> 01:01:06,400
uh looking forward to and if uh

1795
01:01:08,309 --> 01:01:07,920
something should come up between now and

1796
01:01:10,470 --> 01:01:08,319
then

1797
01:01:12,150 --> 01:01:10,480
we'll be in a position to get something

1798
01:01:14,230 --> 01:01:12,160
out to you fairly quickly

1799
01:01:15,589 --> 01:01:14,240
and that's about that well happy

1800
01:01:17,430 --> 01:01:15,599
holidays everybody